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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:28 am 
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Anyone using winstep nexus ultimate on windows eight yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:41 pm 
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Anyone using *anything* on Windows 8 yet? :P

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:24 pm 
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i used it when i ran the 8 beta. worked like a charm. though the beta lasted a total of 4 hours before i wiped the partition. i'm going to ask on virtualcustoms about the one project to restore a lot of the code that microsour riped out and post a link to the forum that is working on it here.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:35 am 
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It worked fine on Windows 8 Pro, I reimaged my system to Windows 7x64 Ulitmate since they removed the Aero code and I have not seen any must have apps for Windows 8 nor do the posted benchmarks about game performance or boot times seem significant enough to me to loose the Aero glass effects or to put up with the Metro crap.

If they bring back the Aero glass effects and make all the Metro stuff optional, I might add windows 8 in dual boot but for now it's a big pass on it from me.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:22 pm 
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If they bring back the Aero glass effects and make all the Metro stuff optional, I might add windows 8 in dual boot but for now it's a big pass on it from me.


Yeah, I still can't believe Microsoft removed the actual *code* for the Aero glass blur-behind function. Now, for the very first time, you have a crippled API that doesn't do what it is supposed to do, resulting in semi-transparent docks and objects that cannot blur the semi-transparent background.

The only thing I can do is disable the blur-behind setting when the Winstep application detects it's running under Windows 8.

Other than that and no access to the Windows Start Menu via the Winstep internal command (because Microsoft removed the code for that too), Winstep applications work fine under Windows 8.

I've lost all faith I ever had in Microsoft (which wasn't much already having seen how they killed classic VB) and I hope Windows 8 is a huge flop that blows up in Steven Sinofsky's face, and of all his minions. :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:43 pm 
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No Microsoft, PCs are not dead and never will be. They turned their backs on us PC users to promote their Surface tablet and Windows phone. IMHO if Surface and their Windows phone fail to impress, then we may see the return of Aero and the death of Metro. If not in 8 then in 9.

Windows 7 will be around for a long time. I'm sticking with it till the end.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:16 pm 
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marty56 wrote:
Windows 7 will be around for a long time. I'm sticking with it till the end.


I agree wholeheartedly! From what I've read by several experts, Win8 sucks! I have a feeling that Microsoft will soon learn that they made a big mistake removing several features that is the bread and butter of MS.

They made a huge mistake with Vista and was able to correct it with Win7. There are only a few minor changes in Win7 that I don't like.

The two issues I have with 7 and one of them started with Vista is the change to (All) Programs, and in 7, you can no longer arrange folders or files the way you want. They automatically go in alphabetical order.

However, I was able to change the problem with (All) Programs. I installed a program called Classic Shell. It's great! It makes (All) Programs look and operate exactly like it used to in XP! http://download.cnet.com/Classic-Shell/ ... ag=mncol;2


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:04 pm 
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i used it when i ran the 8 beta. worked like a charm. though the beta lasted a total of 4 hours before i wiped the partition. i'm going to ask on virtualcustoms about the one project to restore a lot of the code that microsour riped out and post a link to the forum that is working on it here.



well after talking to grim on vc i found out microsour sent the one forum a dmca takedown order. damn asswipes are bound and determined to stand completely behind the crapware they're calling win 8.

on another note some if not all the new win 8 toys out of microsour has adware on them.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:16 am 
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Windy, Classic Shell rocks. I totally love it, namely the "proper" and very configurable start menu and also the "up" button and folder name and icon on explorer windows.
Now that I remembered: anyone remember the good old *proper* "search" function that used to be up until XP? Like, properly search for file names AND/OR content with wildcards? And then came MS and... poof...

Anyway, the only good thing that Win8 has, is better kernel as in better threading, better memory allocation and preemption, better usage patterns for multi-core CPUs, both Intel and AMD flavours and improved thread distribution. So, I'd say, instead of trying to port missing code *to* Win8, just port its kernel to Win7! That's the only thing worth in the whole damn package anyhow (unless you're a sucker for ribbons).

I too hope 8 fails, and that it fails HUGE. MS's just got to learn, at some point; yo, MS, you're not Apple you know? Get over it, already!

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:54 pm 
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skagon wrote:
Windy, Classic Shell rocks. I totally love it, namely the "proper" and very configurable start menu and also the "up" button and folder name and icon on explorer windows.


Glad you like it!

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Anyway, the only good thing that Win8 has, is better kernel as in better threading, better memory allocation and preemption, better usage patterns for multi-core CPUs, both Intel and AMD flavours and improved thread distribution. So, I'd say, instead of trying to port missing code *to* Win8, just port its kernel to Win7! That's the only thing worth in the whole damn package anyhow.


That's a great idea. You ought to let MS know about your idea. If they had any brains they would take your advice.


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Windy wrote:
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Windy, Classic Shell rocks. I totally love it, namely the "proper" and very configurable start menu and also the "up" button and folder name and icon on explorer windows.


Glad you like it!

Yeah, I like it so much that I made a theme to match my Hyperdesk Star Trek theme there too. I posted a screenshot here some months ago; if you search a bit you can find it. :D

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Anyway, the only good thing that Win8 has, is better kernel as in better threading, better memory allocation and preemption, better usage patterns for multi-core CPUs, both Intel and AMD flavours and improved thread distribution. So, I'd say, instead of trying to port missing code *to* Win8, just port its kernel to Win7! That's the only thing worth in the whole damn package anyhow.


That's a great idea. You ought to let MS know about your idea. If they had any brains they would take your advice.

Yeah, right... if they had any brains, they wouldn't even have released that abomination in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:19 pm 
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If they had any brains, they wouldn't even have released that abomination in the first place.


Oh, they have brains alright, but they have also fully embraced the dark side of the force. :)

Microsoft's plan is to discontinue Win32 (i.e.; Windows as we know it and as an open platform) and literally force everyone (customers and developers alike) into WinRT. With WinRT, Microsoft will be able to control what gets released and what doesn't, according to their 'strict' guidelines. So, no more competition to Microsoft products, and no more 'out of the box' solutions.

Furthermore, because WinRT is a closed platform, no 3rd party software can be sold or installed except through the Microsoft store - thus earning Microsoft a 30% cut in the sale of every piece of software ever made for WinRT. Great way to make money on the work of others, no? Pure Genius.

Pure evil, too.

People will realize what this really means once they try Microsoft's new Surface tablet. It looks like a cool new Windows 8 tablet, except the *only* desktop software it can run is a special version of Office 2013 with a very strict 'personal use only' license. The only other software the user is allowed to run or install are apps in the Windows store. No desktop software for Surface users, my friend - welcome to the Brand New World of Microsoft!

I'm sorry to say, but anyone buying Windows 8 becomes an unwitting accomplice to Microsoft's plan for World Domination (TM).

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Well... everybody including me was waiting for the one fatal mistake that will start the demise of Microsoft. Maybe that's it. Fingers crossed.
Better start planning on a version of Winstep for Linux, mate. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:33 am 
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I think this is the OS HP has been waiting for ever since they introduced the HP 150.

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnf ... tems/0031/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-150

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The HP-150 personal computer featured a touch-sensitive screen that allowed users to activate a feature by touching the screen. The PC had an MS-DOS operating system and an Intel 8088 microprocessor. The HP-150 was introduced with twin 3-1/2 inch HP 9121 disc drives—the first commercially available 3-1/2 inch floppy-disk drives in the United States. These drives were less expensive, more reliable and held the same amount of information as the 5-1/4 inch IBM-compatible drives.


Now, when HP says touch sensitive screen, what they really mean is that it had a grid of sensors on each side of the screen. You didn't actually have to touch the screen, just break the beam, so to speak. Yeah, I had one as a kid.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Eight
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:37 pm 
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personally i find this thread hilarious, i've been saying since vista first came out that microsour was working towards total control of a endusers desktop. we've slowly had features stolen from us in each successive release of windows on the nt kernel. now all microsour is doing is figuring if in for a penny they might as well be in for a pound.

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