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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2025 2:06 am 
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I still like the blue/orange combination, but it doesn't really matter if the colours are configurable

Errr, yes and no. With the initial pie chart option (shown below) you can get away with it because the whole pie slice is the same color.

But with the orange ring pie chart that isn't true, notice how the inner ring is always dark blue even on the orange slice.

So, if the "base bitmap" is dark blue, changing the color of the base bitmap is also going to change the color of the inner dark blue ring.

Yes, and... so? Of no importance, it just makes sense to have it that way, shurely [sic!]. ;)
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Anyway, I tried switching the % to used space again and adding the total drive space and it is borderline readable at 48x48 pixel icons (the icon used in the image below is a colorization of the baby blue to dark blue and dark blue to orange, not the final thing yet)

Yes, somehow works better that way, used space + drive capacity. But very hard to read even with my renewed 20/20 vision.
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So anyway, the consensus seems to be that the dark blue with the orange ring is better, right?

Most decidedly, I think. :D

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Something else I am working on is getting SMART data drive temperature. I find that info pretty important and Windows itself does not show it.

Getting SMART data requires admin privileges though, so it is something that must be performed by the Winstep Helper Service, not actually the main application.


Legend. :D Also you should probably mention that the SMART in BIOS needs to be enabled for SMART in Windows to read it. I was under the impression that most BIOS' have it enabled by default but apparently, some older BIOS' that have it do not.


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winstep wrote:
Also, just wanted to show how the same icon customization panel can also be used to customize the colors of non-composite icons (i.e. single bitmap).

However, I'm thinking that perhaps I should allow the color of the fill bar to be customizable as well (making the drive style module also a composite bitmap)

Yes, definitely a good plan, as long as it's both used and free space parts are customisable.
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As you can see I also already settled on the dark blue/orange ring pie chart.

Hooray! Three cheers and all that, Jorge. :D
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Something else I am working on is getting SMART data drive temperature. I find that info pretty important and Windows itself does not show it.

Getting SMART data requires admin privileges though, so it is something that must be performed by the Winstep Helper Service, not actually the main application.

Yes, also an excellent idea. I'm sure it would be pretty popular with all who have the relevant hardware and firmware. :) (And there are also further possibilities with that.)

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nexter wrote:
Yes, somehow works better that way, used space + drive capacity. But very hard to read even with my renewed 20/20 vision.


I reduced a bit the image size of the drive meter style to make some room at the bottom for the same text displayed in the pie chart style (will post a screenshot later).

This in turn means I can let the user choose what info appears at the bottom of the drive from a pre-selected list (given the available size/space limitations). Currently it's "Used Space%/Total size" but the area below the image can be used to alternatively display other information, such as Free Space % only, perhaps even Drive Temperature, etc...

Feel free to suggest other combinations, provided the resulting text is small enough to fit in the available space without becoming completely unreadable.

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Yes, definitely a good plan, as long as it's both used and free space parts are customisable.


The "free space" is part of the main drive icon itself. The "used space" is simply a small bar that is cropped at a specific point and overlaps the main bitmap/free space section.

Also, in the "Icon Factory" dialog, you have Preset values for preset colorization schemes. I already have a "Save As PNG" button but I think I am going to change that button to "Save Preset" so users can make and save their own preset colorizations.

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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winstep wrote:
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Yes, somehow works better that way, used space + drive capacity. But very hard to read even with my renewed 20/20 vision.

I reduced a bit the image size of the drive meter style to make some room at the bottom for the same text displayed in the pie chart style (will post a screenshot later).

This in turn means I can let the user choose what info appears at the bottom of the drive from a pre-selected list (given the available size/space limitations). Currently it's "Used Space%/Total size" but the area below the image can be used to alternatively display other information, such as Free Space % only, perhaps even Drive Temperature, etc...

Feel free to suggest other combinations, provided the resulting text is small enough to fit in the available space without becoming completely unreadable.

How about - (GB ETC) Free/Total Size; (GB etc) Used/Total Size . Can't really see anything else useful. Drive Temp. would be fab! :D
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Yes, definitely a good plan, as long as it's both used and free space parts are customisable.


The "free space" is part of the main drive icon itself. The "used space" is simply a small bar that is cropped at a specific point and overlaps the main bitmap/free space section.

Pity.
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Also, in the "Icon Factory" dialog, you have Preset values for preset colorization schemes. I already have a "Save As PNG" button but I think I am going to change that button to "Save Preset" so users can make and save their own preset colorizations.

Excellent idea, capital! :D

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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winstep wrote:

Also, in the "Icon Factory" dialog, you have Preset values for preset colorization schemes. I already have a "Save As PNG" button but I think I am going to change that button to "Save Preset" so users can make and save their own preset colorizations.


Great for people new to Winstep too because it's consistent with Workshelf and other colour options, so their learning curve will also be consistent and less convoluted.

Additionally, if everything is readable in the mouse-over Pop-up, including Temperature/SMART and other important areas that may not fit into a readable/tiny screen displayed space, then I do not see an issue. Being able to see and read it I agree is important across the board. You seem to have it sorted from where I sit.
You can always add more later if you get an epiphany or someone else does.


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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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Ok, this is what the disk meter is currently looking like by default:

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Pity.

Not so fast! :D

I ended up splitting the drive meter bitmap into two distinct parts, since using a single color across the whole thing made it look a bit flat and monochromatic.

Now the design is divided into the drive and the drive slot (which represents free space). By default, the slot - and the drive LED - stay black no matter what colorization is applied to the drive itself using the options on the left side of the dialog, which adds a nice contrast.

Since the slot (the free space bar) is now its own bitmap, you can also colorize it independently using the options on the right side of the dialog.

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By default the "filled space" bar is blue, and turns red when the drive is over 90% full. So I allow these two color variations to be independently colorized as well, using the same dialog:

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Excellent idea, capital! :D

And as you probably already realized by looking at the screenshots above, I already added the ability to add user presets. You just type the new preset name in the combo box and hit the Save button. If you select an existing user Preset, the Save button turns into Delete. You can also overwrite user presets (but not system presets!) in which case a confirmation dialog pops up.

Anyway, as you can see below all this gives us a lot of freedom for customization of the new disk meter module. Hopefully the cosmetic part of the iconic module is now complete.

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winstep wrote:
Ok, this is what the disk meter is currently looking like by default:

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nexter wrote:
Pity.

Not so fast! :D

:lol: [Baited breath] Can hardly contain myself! ;)
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I ended up splitting the drive meter bitmap into two distinct parts, since using a single color across the whole thing made it look a bit flat and monochromatic.

Now the design is divided into the drive and the drive slot (which represents free space). By default, the slot - and the drive LED - stay black no matter what colorization is applied to the drive itself using the options on the left side of the dialog, which adds a nice contrast.

Since the slot (the free space bar) is now its own bitmap, you can also colorize it independently using the options on the right side of the dialog.

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By default the "filled space" bar is blue, and turns red when the drive is over 90% full. So I allow these two color variations to be independently colorized as well, using the same dialog:

Yay! That makes for one heck of an improvement. Nice, well done that man! ;) :D

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Excellent idea, capital! :D

And as you probably already realized by looking at the screenshots above, I already added the ability to add user presets. You just type the new preset name in the combo box and hit the Save button. If you select an existing user Preset, the Save button turns into Delete. You can also overwrite user presets (but not system presets!) in which case a confirmation dialog pops up.

Anyway, as you can see below all this gives us a lot of freedom for customization of the new disk meter module. Hopefully the cosmetic part of the iconic module is now complete.

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Seconded! :D And well done again.

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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Ok, already succeeded in getting the SMART temps for all my drives EXCEPT the external Samsung T7 USB SSD. That one probably uses a vendor specific protocol.

So, I can get the temps for my Intel 905P Optane PCIe NVMe drive, my four NVMe M.2 internal drives, the two SATA drives (one a WD SATA HDD the other a SATA SSD) and also for my two external WD 12 TB USB HDDs (which are used for backups).

This was not easy, even with the help of the AI.

Anyway, code has now been tested and it works provided the application is running elevated (those SMART requests require admin privileges). I still have to transfer the code to the Winstep Helper Service and create a protocol to get the info from the service.

Temperature data will be cached by the service for 60 seconds (i.e. temps are only refreshed every 60 seconds) so we do not hammer the drives with SMART query requests.

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winstep wrote:
Ok, already succeeded in getting the SMART temps for all my drives EXCEPT the external Samsung T7 USB SSD. That one probably uses a vendor specific protocol.



You are a very clever man Jorge.

I noticed with Samsung drives, that the laws in some countries prevent it from installing their SSD software. I have no idea if yours is one of them or not, but it does seem that you would possibly have to be able to read from their software which means it would also have to be active. Based on your info to me with UPS', I have a feeling that it might be much the same, meaning that if Windows cannot read it, short of accessing Samsung Magician, it might not be possible with an external drive?
Only you would know, I do not.

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BassdudeNZ wrote:
I noticed with Samsung drives, that the laws in some countries prevent it from installing their SSD software. I have no idea if yours is one of them or not, but it does seem that you would possibly have to be able to read from their software which means it would also have to be active.


It has nothing to do with their software, but with USB enclosures and bridges, plus drivers and proprietary protocols.

Software like AIDA64 (former Everest) can display temperatures and SMART data for drives like the T7 because they reverse engineer the proprietary protocols and have a huge database of "exceptions" (in fact, I now seem to remember that it took an update to AIDA64 for it to also be able to display the temp of my T7).

I'm not in the business of monitoring proprietary hardware, so all I can do is try via all the "standard" means, and if that fails, give up.

Blame companies like Samsung and other USB bridge chipset manufacturers for not doing things in a more standard way in what relates to external drives.

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I noticed with Samsung drives, that the laws in some countries prevent it from installing their SSD software. I have no idea if yours is one of them or not, but it does seem that you would possibly have to be able to read from their software which means it would also have to be active.


It has nothing to do with their software, but with USB enclosures and bridges, plus drivers and proprietary protocols.

Software like AIDA64 (former Everest) can display temperatures and SMART data for drives like the T7 because they reverse engineer the proprietary protocols and have a huge database of "exceptions" (in fact, I now seem to remember that it took an update to AIDA64 for it to also be able to display the temp of my T7).

I'm not in the business of monitoring proprietary hardware, so all I can do is try via all the "standard" means, and if that fails, give up.

Blame companies like Samsung and other USB bridge chipset manufacturers for not doing things in a more standard way in what relates to external drives.


As I mentioned quite succinctly, "You would know, I do not".
Thanks for bluntly enlightening me.


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winstep wrote:
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I noticed with Samsung drives, that the laws in some countries prevent it from installing their SSD software. I have no idea if yours is one of them or not, but it does seem that you would possibly have to be able to read from their software which means it would also have to be active.


It has nothing to do with their software, but with USB enclosures and bridges, plus drivers and proprietary protocols.

Software like AIDA64 (former Everest) can display temperatures and SMART data for drives like the T7 because they reverse engineer the proprietary protocols and have a huge database of "exceptions" (in fact, I now seem to remember that it took an update to AIDA64 for it to also be able to display the temp of my T7).

I'm not in the business of monitoring proprietary hardware, so all I can do is try via all the "standard" means, and if that fails, give up.

Blame companies like Samsung and other USB bridge chipset manufacturers for not doing things in a more standard way in what relates to external drives.

It really would be more than fab if the Drive mod could capture all drives regardless of protocols etc. in one! More than useful, too! :D

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BassdudeNZ wrote:
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I noticed with Samsung drives, that the laws in some countries prevent it from installing their SSD software. I have no idea if yours is one of them or not, but it does seem that you would possibly have to be able to read from their software which means it would also have to be active.

It has nothing to do with their software, but with USB enclosures and bridges, plus drivers and proprietary protocols.

As I mentioned quite succinctly, "You would know, I do not".
Thanks for bluntly enlightening me.

@BassdudeNZ - Err..., why "bluntly"? I don't see anything that would qualify for that in Jorge's post. He's just telling it how it is, and it is what it is. Just straight, frank. I'm sure no offence was intended to anyone.

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