So far so good, although sometimes it went for awhile without crashing before i reinstalled

Can you check if the problem you mentioned about the weather module eventually becoming opaque has been fixed by one of the latest versions? If not, please let me know exactly what happens.

i have been running it since i started this thread, haven't noticed it occurring

it hasn't crashed yet ether, but i had one occurrence of modules/docks/shelf not reacting to right/left click (i could expand the shelf and change tabs but not launch subdocks)

as it was it would randomly lose its transparency (maybe while updating, wasn't able to pinpoint) but would become transparent again after mouseover

IIRC, I worked on that stuff a couple of versions back, so it should work properly now - which is why I was asking you to check.

yes it seems to work fine now, i haven't been using the module because i got used to the dock version, although when you click to expand the dock icon, today's reading often shows -/x, not displaying the high temperature number, while the popup that appears after display does. but it could be an issue with the data provided as i have sometimes noticed that winstep cant get any weather info for my location for some period

crash again, this time this in 'stopped working' dialog

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: WorkShelf.exe
Application Version: 16.12.0.1191
Application Timestamp: 584a1ce2
Fault Module Name: WsxMMTimer.dll_unloaded
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 56c529f5
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 674a4540
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
Locale ID: 1050
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

WsxMMTimer is a really, really, simple DLL responsible for providing the 10 ms timer resolution necessary for some of the animations. It does this by using the system's multimedia timers.

The DLL itself crashing with an Access Violation error is very strange because precisely because of its simplicity. Everything that is happening there is very strange, none of the crashes are consistent or reproducible.

In this case the error happens apparently because a call was made to a function in that DLL when the DLL was not loaded or already unloaded. Problem is, that DLL is (should be) always loaded. It doesn't get unloaded until the application quits.

Again, the most common suggestion for this problem happening can be summed up as 'Tends to be an environmental problem with shoddy anti-malware on the top of the list'. In other words, 3rd party drivers/AV solution injecting code into another application's process and then playing havoc with it. The injected code crashes or does something that causes the main application to crash.

Were you doing anything with the Winstep application when it crashed?

not this time, and not most(or all, cant be sure) of the other times, could it be tied to glow when updating animations for weather/email/clock, or animations from cpu/ram/net meters?

ill keep it running for a couple of days as it is, then try to roll back to 16.2, thats the last previous version i have installer for

i did an uninstall with revo then manually deleted some leftover files (though revo is usually wery thorough)

didn't restart my laptop between uninstall and reinstall though

I've edited my original message above with a bit more info while you were replying, sorry. Read it again.

I don't recommend going back, sincerely, but if you really want to you can still download v16.9 from Cnet's Download.com:

http://download.cnet.com/Winstep-Xtreme ... 78769.html

Well, if the old version starts crashing now too when before it didn't, at least you will know for sure that the culprit is some 3rd party application.

If it doesn't... welll... lool

haven't had any problems with avast and winstep before, and there was no update for avast for a while now,

ill run through scans for malware tonight although no other problems appear

well i intend to rollback only temporary to see if the issue happens with the old version, and stay on the 16.9 only as a last option

another, pressed the wrong button on the error message so i pulled the info out of the event viewer:
- System

- Provider

[ Name] Application Error

- EventID 1000

[ Qualifiers] 0

Level 2

Task 100

Keywords 0x80000000000000

- TimeCreated

[ SystemTime] 2016-12-17T21:21:43.000000000Z

EventRecordID 72629

Channel Application

Computer MK-6

Security


- EventData

WorkShelf.exe
16.12.0.1191
584a1ce2
WsxMMTimer.dll_unloaded
0.0.0.0
56c529f5
c0000005
674a4540
2040
01d25899f1bb9695
C:\Program Files (x86)\Winstep\WorkShelf.exe
WsxMMTimer.dll
ce66211e-c49e-11e6-9ea2-8bd3700f95df

if you would it find useful i extracted the event files so i can upload them somewhere, before updating to 16.12 workshelf would crash maybe once a month according to event viewer and it was a different dll in the few crashes i saw scrolling down, not sure if the EV caught all crashes since i cant find the error i pasted before (there are only WsxMMTimer.dll and 'unknown' errors logged)