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 Post subject: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:16 pm 
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Now that Windows 10 is slowly rolling out to users, I would really like to get your feedback on how well v15.7 works with it.

The good, the bad and the ugly, please. :D

I just upgraded my Windows 8 machine to 10 and I like the new Start Menu a lot better than the one in the Preview Build I used to test v15.7 on, for instance.

Only one problem I spotted so far: in that Start Menu the Search bar was still part of the menu itself, in the RTM release it no longer is, there is a separate icon on the taskbar you need to click on. Had I known they would do this, I would have added a 'Search' internal command to the Quick Launch area of the NextSTART taskbar by default.

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:56 pm 
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Have at last managed to upgrade to Win10, not by connecting after getting the auto update files,and for 36 hours of getting 'update failure' becuse Microsoft servers could not cope. I updated by installing from the microsoft supplied ISO.

Winstep, has worked perfectly, and I know what you really wanted to know, was there something you needed to fix, sorry, everything worked for me

BTW, after using Winstep for three years I still dicover new things!


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:57 pm 
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Hi Jorge,

I installed W-10 on my computer and my girlfriends computer with the updated version of Winstep Nexus 15.7. It runs fine on my computer but it isn't on my girlfriends. If I select auto hide with the dock on the bottom of the screen when the screen hides it doesn't pop out after I place the mouse on the bottom edge. It does pop out on the left, top, or right just fine. Kinda strange. Would love to see a fix. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling and I also compared all the settings on my computer with hers and everything is identical. We both run HP computers with touch screens.

I can't figure it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:01 am 
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Hello,

I'm new to Nexus as I was so far using Objectdock (old free version) which does not work properly with some softwares.
I find Nexus very easy to use and very straightforward.
So far, I did not see any issue when using it with Windows 10.

Best regards.

Laurent

EDIT : Is there a way to add a button to Nexus that would have a similar action as ALT+F4 (shutdown/restart menu) ?


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:28 pm 
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mfcarpino wrote:
If I select auto hide with the dock on the bottom of the screen when the screen hides it doesn't pop out after I place the mouse on the bottom edge. It does pop out on the left, top, or right just fine.


That's a weird one for sure, especially because it works when docked to the right of the screen but not at the bottom (in which case I would suspect an API returning some kind of mismatched screen size). Is she running at 100% DPI or higher?

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EDIT : Is there a way to add a button to Nexus that would have a similar action as ALT+F4 (shutdown/restart menu) ?


Hmm, not sure I understand what you want? ALT-F4 closes the current window. Do you mean CTRL+ALT+DEL instead?

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:57 pm 
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No, I mean a button that would open a little menu where we could select "shutdown" or "restart" or "logoff" or "hibernate" or "sleep" or "restart in safe mode", ...

This kind of menu is available ob devices like android phones and it would be great to have the same in Windows or in Nexus.

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:26 pm 
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Laurentwb wrote:
No, I mean a button that would open a little menu where we could select "shutdown" or "restart" or "logoff" or "hibernate" or "sleep" or "restart in safe mode", ...


There are already two ways to do this:

1. When you *right* click the Nexus Control icon on the dock, check the Exit sub-menu of the context menu that pops up: it has all those options you requested.

2. Have a look at the list of internal commands available for the dock: right click anywhere on the dock, select Insert New Dock Item -> Internal Command -> Shutdown. On the Shutdown category sub-menu you will find internal commands for Shutting down Windows, Hibernating, Sleeping, etc... This allows you to add shortcuts to the dock that do all those things you requested.

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:07 pm 
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Hi Jorge,

Thanks for your thoughts and reply. You were right about the mismatch on the API. What I tried first was to hide the Windows Taskbar automatically on the bottom. That worked fine. Caused me to scratch my head... :-) Then I checked the screen display and it was set at recommended and 100%. Scratched my head again. So I set it at greater than 100% and then back to 100% (recommended) and boom it is working fine now.

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:10 pm 
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<...Scratches head...> :shock: :roll:

Sounds like a Windows 10 bug then...

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:37 pm 
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I am running version 15.7 on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit.

So far, everything (with one exception) is working exactly as it did on Windows 7 Pro 64-bit.

The only thing I can't achieve is a working shortcut to Microsoft Edge in the Dock.

If anyone has a solution, I'd be pleased to hear it.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:25 pm 
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Microsoft's integration of RT/Metro/Universal/Windows Apps (whatever you want to call that abomination) such as the Edge browser into the Win32 desktop world is pretty much half-baked (although it's already MUCH better than what it was in Windows 8.x).

Metro apps do not really exist in the Win32 world, they run on a separate universe, a different OS inside classic Windows. With Windows 10 MS made an effort to wrap Metro apps inside a thin Win32 'shell' (for instance, Metro apps run inside a Win32 'container' window) but even that is half-baked, which is why you get a generic 'box' icon to represent Metro apps if you have the dock set to show running applications.

You see, Metro apps don't even have what you could call an icon, and MS made absolutely *no effort* to allow 3rd parties to get an iconic representation of a Metro app.

There is also no 'executable' that can be browsed to and/or used to launch a specific Metro app, just kludges.

When developing v15.7 on a Windows 10 VM here, it was possible to add Metro apps shortcuts to the dock provided you dragged them from the left panel of the Windows Start Menu. They even got some kind of an 'icon'. Dragging from the Windows taskbar, however, is not allowed.

Look how broken the whole thing is: you should be able to drag a Metro App tile from the right panel of the Windows Start Menu into the Desktop and that *should* create a shortcut to the Metro app there (you could then use this shortcut to add the item to the dock) but alas, you can't do that either - the Desktop does not recognize the dragged tile as a valid shortcut.

The Windows Taskbar does not allow drag & drop operations either.

So, either there is an existing shortcut to Edge in the left side of the Windows Start Menu (which you can use) or you are apparently stuck.

The 'kludge' I mentioned above seems to work, though:

1. Press WIN+R to open the Run dialog.
2. Type 'shell:appsfolder' (without the quotes) and press ENTER.
3. In the Explorer window that opens, look for 'Edge' or 'Project Spartan', or whatever it is called now. Most of the images representing Metro apps are white on white, so if the Explorer window has a white background good luck recognizing the Edge icon, lol (Broken, broken!)
4. Drag the Edge item to the dock.
5. Voila (well, at least I just tried it here on a VM and it worked)!

Let me know!

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:38 pm 
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Hi Jorge

Your 'kludge' appears to have worked.

(Initially, when I dragged the icon into the dock, it was 'empty' and I couldn't find the correct icon in the 'Winstep Samples' folder, so I copied one from the internet and saved it in with the rest of your icons).

And now it's fine - thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:05 am 
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PeterB wrote:
(Initially, when I dragged the icon into the dock, it was 'empty' and I couldn't find the correct icon in the 'Winstep Samples' folder, so I copied one from the internet and saved it in with the rest of your icons).


Thanks for letting me know.

Not sure what you mean by 'empty', though. Did it show a Question Mark icon instead of the Edge app browser icon?

I tried it here in a real Windows 10 RTM machine and the shortcut showed the correct Edge icon (the e inside a blue square).

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
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Hi again Jorge

When I did it the first time last night, the icon I dragged just appeared as a featureless white square in the dock - hence my playing around with a copied 'e' icon...

However, this morning, I deleted my original attempt, repeated your procedure and it was fine without any of my amateur intervention. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep and Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:49 pm 
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I had a problem installing Winstep on Windows 10 Home, and it ended up working itself out.

I was installing on a laptop, Dell, and at the end of the installation, the install screen froze up. After several minutes, I decided to close the window, when I did, I got the dreaded (not responding) error. I forced it closed via task manager. Opened Winstep and it showed not registered, even though I had placed my key in the license folder.

After a reboot, it showed as registered and all is apparently well now.

I had nothing except Start10 installed at this point. Not even an antivirus.

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