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 Post subject: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:34 am 
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I love this program. With all the coolness Windows 10 has to offer I still wanted more. I found Winstep and had to buy it immediately after I found it as an alternative to ObjectDock by Stardock. I use both as Object Dock runs separately to show me only minimized windows. In this way I can have them on the right side of my screen as an independent dock rather than in the main dock at the bottom.

For every time I open / minimize a window it expands/contracts the winstep dock and it's a huge eye sore as it is not fluid but just an instant transition. So as I used more programs I edit the task list and hide them so that they don't show at all. Perhaps a new design suggestion? Meanwhile, I still like having the minimized windows run separate in their own dock and using object dock for this is great.

So good job on that.

Now, for the life of me I have not been able to get the weather module to work. I added all the applications from the install to the firewall inbound and outbound. I updated all the urls and xml lists in the Advanced menu in the weather settings. I've obtained the updated METAR and city codes but still the weather doesn't come through. Always just pops up with a cannot connect to the service at this time... message.

ObjectDocks works perfectly but I like Winsteps better as it has a more professional look.

Maybe it's something to do with Windows 10 or am I missing some modifications to settings that should enable it to work?

Thanks for all the hard work.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:46 pm 
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Nutrynion wrote:
For every time I open / minimize a window it expands/contracts the winstep dock and it's a huge eye sore as it is not fluid but just an instant transition.


What version of Nexus Ultimate are you using? Have you tried the beta already? A lot of work was done on making transitions even more fluid/smooth.

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Now, for the life of me I have not been able to get the weather module to work.
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Maybe it's something to do with Windows 10 or am I missing some modifications to settings that should enable it to work?


The weather module is working fine for everybody else. So it's either a Firewall issue, a Proxy issue, or...

What happens if you press the 'Check for Updates' button in the General tab of Nexus Preferences? Is the Winstep Update Manager able to communicate or does it also give an error message?

Anyway, give the beta a try. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:17 pm 
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Version 15.9. But I was unaware there was a beta. I have it checked to check for betas but it just didn't notify me I guess. Do the new transitions allow the windows to minimize to the dock? That's how objectdock works (well it's a toggle the user can choose to turn on or off) so that when you minimize the window, wherever the dock is, it minimizes to that point, instead of the default Windows location towards the taskbar.

I'll go get the beta and check it out and see what's new.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:20 pm 
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Oh I'm reading about the beta now and some of my questions have been answered. Reading is educational! :P


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:21 pm 
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Nutrynion wrote:
Version 15.9. But I was unaware there was a beta.


It's not private but it's not public either, i.e.; it does not get broadcasted via the Winstep Update Manager.

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Do the new transitions allow the windows to minimize to the dock? That's how objectdock works (well it's a toggle the user can choose to turn on or off) so that when you minimize the window, wherever the dock is, it minimizes to that point, instead of the default Windows location towards the taskbar.


Yes. It's also a toggle on Nexus.

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I'll go get the beta and check it out and see what's new.


Cool! Let me know what you think. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:49 pm 
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Okay yeah definitely liking the minimize to dock transitions. Very slick. Just a side note, any applications I added to the task exclusion list, this will not have an effect on, so one must remove them from there first before the animations into the dock will work.

When the application/thumbnail for a task appears in the main dock, and when the application is closed and the thumbnail disappears, it's a bit smoother but kind of fast.

Like the option to adjust how quickly docks hide and appear, would there be a way to also adjust how quickly the behavior of the tasks appearing and disappearing the user could set?

I just build this pc (desktop) this month so it's got all the latest in terms of cpu/gpu/ram. i7-4750/gtx980/16gb ram. So just as a reference, my system personally can handle all the cool bloops and blips.

I'll test out the weather module next. I had realized previously there are some internet toggles I could adjust in the settings so perhaps that was my achilles heel previously.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:10 pm 
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Okay also liking the minimize to dock as a separate dock. Works quite well. I know you can click on the task thumbnail/icon to minimize/restore, but what if the dock is separate, and where the user launches the application from on their main dock, when clicking on that icon itself, rather than in the dedicated task dock, would also minimize the application as well. It restores it if it's already open. But wanting to minimize other than clicking on the minimize button or the task icon/thumbnail would be useful if the icon from the launch dock could also include the feature. Just suggestions. I'm not trying to ask for too much. My mind always runs amok on these things as I love the idea of users being able to customize every facet of a thing into the os and other devices and such. It's just a hobby.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:57 pm 
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Alright, minor update on the Weather Module. It works and it doesn't. The main icon shows the current weather, however when clicking on it to show the forecast it's all N/A. I've tried everything from using defaults to auto detect which renders n/a on everything, to manually plugging in the url xml metar urls in the advanced but alas I only get the main icon current weather conditions to work. Hmm...


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:04 pm 
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Ah, update: I restarted the system and it seems to have reset it or whatever and it works. This is great.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:50 am 
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Nutrynion wrote:
Okay yeah definitely liking the minimize to dock transitions. Very slick. Just a side note, any applications I added to the task exclusion list, this will not have an effect on, so one must remove them from there first before the animations into the dock will work.


Hmm, yeah, well, if they are not on the dock because you excluded them, there is also nothing on the dock to minimize that window into, so the minimize animation goes to the Windows taskbar instead. :wink:

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Like the option to adjust how quickly docks hide and appear, would there be a way to also adjust how quickly the behavior of the tasks appearing and disappearing the user could set?


Giving those their own individual settings would be too much work for very little return.

I suppose I could look into tying the general animation speed setting (the one that control how fast the docks hide and appear) into this, but I'm not sure that's something one would want.

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I know you can click on the task thumbnail/icon to minimize/restore, but what if the dock is separate, and where the user launches the application from on their main dock, when clicking on that icon itself, rather than in the dedicated task dock, would also minimize the application as well.


I understand what you mean, but the problem is that most users would probably not want that to happen. If you have the dock set to display running applications *and* the 'combine with running applications' setting is on, then shortcuts in the dock to currently running applications will behave as you describe.

However, if the dock is not set to display running applications or the 'combine' option is off, then clicking the shortcut will only bring the application window forward if it is already running.

This is by design.

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Ah, update: I restarted the system and it seems to have reset it or whatever and it works. This is great.


Glad to know. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Weather Module and Windows 10
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:24 pm 
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It's all good. Everything is running perfectly and I just programmed one of my mouse buttons to minimize for me so that makes it easier.


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