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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:16 pm 
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it could really make an ugly mess of some themes and destroy the whole effect. Dedicated alternative bitmaps sounds the lesser of two evils to me. ;)


You already have full shelf etc colorization if that is your objection. Tab colorization would not work with every theme (e.g. the tabs in some themes have a transparent background as they are "incorporated" into the shelf body, for instance), but on those (few?) themes that it would work, this would at least become an option.

Going for the alternative bitmaps reduces that choice to nill at this point, AND it would make things a lot more complicated for me.

This way the colorization would be a property of each tab (e.g. right click, select Tab Properties) set by the user and NOT a specific theme. Same way global colorization (Shelf Properties -> Appearance tab -> Color Settings button) are currently a property of the whole shelf (set by the user) and not of a theme.



As luck would have it, editing a theme, I had to manually go into Workshelf and change the text type and coloration - It seems you have empty and inactive Button3= , Button4= etc already like a placeholder?

I see both sides here... Honestly if it comes down to user choice, it has often been said that more than two choices should be avoided. One one hand, if you are giving one choice being coloring and no bitmaps, it kind of forces the user into default settings or coloring. If the skinner only creates an active and inactive like it is currently, then nothing changes - However, if in some of the newer themes that 'might' come out, the user has the option of thematic or coloring.

- just an observation ;)


All of that said, I know you have far more important things that take precedence and so they should, so if you can do the coloring without taking too much time away, we can always revisit the bitmaps another time :)

P.S - I could have got really convoluted and suggested that if a skinner created 12 different TAB buttons, the user could select their favorite from those 12 as their main TAB :lol: :lol:

@NEXTER - Coloring in different colors I am not huge on either with coloring bitmaps, but it depends on whether it's an actual color change or simply a glow around the buttons, the latter would likely work better.... especially if the user has a color wheel to choose from so they can do variants of the dominant color of the theme they are using and save per theme.


Replying in the 'Whats next...' thread. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2025 5:09 am 
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The ability/facility to have desktop *.png animated module graphics.

EDIT: I get that it could go AWOL at a potentially epileptic level but having the option for users to turn it on (default = off/static) means a skinner can make one, two or all in a set theme. I also understand the coding aspects would mean a lot of work to get rid of any potential bugs, not to forget Windows being notorious for changing things in their updates.
- That stated, I am happy to be a crash test bunny.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 1:14 am 
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I looked on the Forum for a "BUGS" or random bugs thread. Apologies if there is one as I could not find it.

In the latest update, randomly, the startbar does not change when you change a theme. Not all of the time, just randomly. Click the same theme again and it's fine.
I figured it's best to let you know.
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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
The ability/facility to have desktop *.png animated module graphics.

EDIT: I get that it could go AWOL at a potentially epileptic level but having the option for users to turn it on (default = off/static) means a skinner can make one, two or all in a set theme. I also understand the coding aspects would mean a lot of work to get rid of any potential bugs, not to forget Windows being notorious for changing things in their updates.
- That stated, I am happy to be a crash test bunny.

Even if feasible, I think there's already far too much anim going on, sorry. :( Besides, many mods feature some sort of anim already - e.g., all the meter ones, analogue clock, and whatnot. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
In the latest update, randomly, the startbar does not change when you change a theme. Not all of the time, just randomly. Click the same theme again and it's fine. I figured it's best to let you know.


Thanks! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 10:48 am 
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@Jorge - you are welcome :)


@Nexter - I hear you and if the modules are spinning, sliding and whatnot I totally agree... I am thinking from a position of where the text is static without tickers and there are no meters. :) - Yes it would be way too much with everything spinning and animating.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
@Nexter - I hear you and if the modules are spinning, sliding and whatnot I totally agree... I am thinking from a position of where the text is static without tickers and there are no meters. :) - Yes it would be way too much with everything spinning and animating.

I get you and can agree on that! As long as it's subtly done, which I'm sure it would be in your case. :) (And I guess with humour in some cases! :D )

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
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nexter wrote:
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I get you and can agree on that! As long as it's subtly done, which I'm sure it would be in your case. :) (And I guess with humour in some cases! :D )


It takes only one mistake to stop an animation from working as intended. I am grateful how many Wanda animations there are already, knowing what is involved. I am working on two fish as a gift to Jorge so he can add extra fish should he wish to. It takes a fair bit of work to get the simplest tail fin and body movements on a well rendered wireframe to look natural. As you well know, there are a lot of smaller wireframes that have to be moved proportionally or kiss goodbye to everything you did for the last 30mins to an hour.

I imagine a lot of people won't do it and as for humour, imagine the fun with the Monty Python theme and the Gel. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
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I get you and can agree on that! As long as it's subtly done, which I'm sure it would be in your case. :) (And I guess with humour in some cases! :D )


It takes only one mistake to stop an animation from working as intended. I am grateful how many Wanda animations there are already, knowing what is involved. I am working on two fish as a gift to Jorge so he can add extra fish should he wish to. It takes a fair bit of work to get the simplest tail fin and body movements on a well rendered wireframe to look natural. As you well know, there are a lot of smaller wireframes that have to be moved proportionally or kiss goodbye to everything you did for the last 30mins to an hour.

I imagine a lot of people won't do it and as for humour, imagine the fun with the Monty Python theme and the Gel. :lol:

:lol: :lol: (Hate that damned fish though - should be skewered and on my BBQ! :P )

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 11:46 am 
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Guys, please avoid chit-chat on this particular topic, each user that ever contributed to it (and considering the topic has 64 pages, there are ton of them lol) gets a notification every time a new message is added to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
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winstep wrote:
Guys, please avoid chit-chat on this particular topic, each user that ever contributed to it (and considering the topic has 64 pages, there are ton of them lol) gets a notification every time a new message is added to it.


Will do.

I will add another request as someone who likes skinning..

The Workshelf - an inactive graphic option for when users decide to stretch it full screen. i.e. You have some code similar to the mainmenu (e.g. SubTheme) that when stretched, a different graphic can be used - if it does not exist, like the mainmenu, the same one is used. This means any graphic additions to the sides don't look like you've looked in a Coney island mirror, which can and do in a fullscreen stretch. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 12:12 pm 
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Speaking from a skinning perspective rather than a functionality perspective, personally, it would be good if a subTheme is included, that they never turn into a main menu when dragged. Aesthetically and graphically, it allows for far more exciting main menu's because they will never be placed in a position where they can be over-stretched. Just an observation.


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 1:41 pm 
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Hello everyone, long time since my last post. It certainly is good to be back.

Congrats to you Jorge for all the cool stuff added in the last updates.
On that note, one thing that I miss from taskbar features of Windows 10/11:
- the icon of a running app shows a visual feedback as a bar below the icon, when an app is updating, a file manager is doing some deleting/copying, a browser is downloading something or if the app is otherwise is showing a progress bar. I found that to be useful.
- also is sometimes useful to access recent files opened on that app, list available via the right click menu.
Would it be possible to add that functionality to the docks/shelfs displaying the list of running apps?


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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:39 pm 
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Vlad wrote:
- the icon of a running app shows a visual feedback as a bar below the icon, when an app is updating, a file manager is doing some deleting/copying, a browser is downloading something or if the app is otherwise is showing a progress bar. I found that to be useful.


Not possible to add since this depends on direct communication from the apps with the Windows taskbar, which cannot be intercepted as far as I know.

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also is sometimes useful to access recent files opened on that app, list available via the right click menu.


These are called "jump lists". This is possible and has been on the to-do list for quite some time.

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 Post subject: Re: Winstep Wish List
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Not possible to add since this depends on direct communication from the apps with the Windows taskbar, which cannot be intercepted as far as I know.

Well, another "Widows perk" lol

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These are called "jump lists". This is possible and has been on the to-do list for quite some time.

So this one is about patience. Cool. Plenty of features to play with in the mean time.


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