So, what's next after v18.10?

sacco_belmonte · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 am **Posts:** 99

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The point is what you are really trying to accomplish here: save electricity (I don't think that's it) or extend the life of your HDDs?

To prevent any noise coming from them. This is a sound studio and everything counts.

Also, since I don't use my HDDs as much as my SDDs I thought it would be better to allow them to turn off.

Not really about saving electricity, these use way less a week than my 8core would use in a single Cinebench run or my GPU during a 10min game run.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12288

sacco_belmonte wrote:

To prevent any noise coming from them. This is a sound studio and everything counts.

Ahah, I think you are rationalizing after-the-fact.

Aren't HDDs virtually silent while spinning, only making noise when spinning up *or* being actively accessed? :wink:

sacco_belmonte wrote:

Not really about saving electricity, these use way less a week than my 8core would use in a single Cinebench run or my GPU during a 10min game run.

Eheh, true.

sacco_belmonte · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 am **Posts:** 99

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Aren't HDDs virtually silent while spinning, only making noise when spinning up *or* being actively accessed?

They emit a hum, also depending on the case they're installed in.

My new case seems good in that regard but I was used to let them spin down.

Big deal? Not at all...as you said HDDs are made to be in a server always turned on.

I already put them always on.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12288

Vlad wrote:

Also I noticed that the inverted vertical drawers are still having issues regarding positioning. Although those do not jump around on drag and drop anymore, they still change position after a restart of the workshelf.

I will probably deal with this after the next beta, don't want to delay it much further. Can you provide some before/after screenshots, please?

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12288

seeker wrote:

winstep wrote:

seeker wrote:

edit: my thinking was more that once you have a grid you might want to 'pull it' away from his parent dock/shelf and have it standalone

Ah, like the detachable menus in NextSTART.

Problem is, you can already drag GStacks around (and even resize, although the new size will not be remembered once you close them) which is kind of incompatible with the idea of detachable GStacks.

more like subdocks but yeah

shame

Actually I have been thinking more about this, and you do have a point in terms of usefulness, plus the detachable sub-menu concept also applies here:

In NextSTART, sub-menus automatically close when you click on another option in the main menu.

However, if you drag the sub-menu AWAY from the parent menu, it becomes a detachable sub-menu - that is, it will remain open until you close it manually (by clicking the menu's close button in the titlebar or right clicking the menu's titlebar - a problem now that most menus don't actually have visible titlebars though, which means you must know that right clicking the menu's top edge does the same thing).

Anyway, you would not normally move a GStack so the detachable sub-menu concept could actually be used here too - the exception being if you are merely trying to resize the GStack, as this would sometimes involve moving it if there is not enough room at the top to drag the tab up.

On the other hand, the GStack can always be closed manually, I just fear users who only intended to resize the Gstack might think of it not automatically closing afterward as a bug.

Anyway, what do the interested parties say?

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12288

Changed the *default* delay of the Capture Desktop internal command from None to 5 seconds.

This will delay taking the screenshot AFTER clicking the Capture Desktop icon by 5 seconds. I think this is good because there are things you can't capture (for instance, the label when you mouseover an icon in the dock) if it takes a screenshot as soon as you click on it.

This way you have time to prepare things for the screenshot.

Anyway, it's the default delay and can be changed at any time.

nexter · **Posted:** Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:33 pm

winstep wrote:

Actually I have been thinking more about this, and you [seeker] do have a point in terms of usefulness, plus the detachable sub-menu concept also applies here:

In NextSTART, sub-menus automatically close when you click on another option in the main menu.

However, if you drag the sub-menu AWAY from the parent menu, it becomes a detachable sub-menu - that is, it will remain open until you close it manually (by clicking the menu's close button in the titlebar or right clicking the menu's titlebar - a problem now that most menus don't actually have visible titlebars though, which means you must know that right clicking the menu's top edge does the same thing).

Anyway, you would not normally move a GStack so the detachable sub-menu concept could actually be used here too - the exception being if you are merely trying to resize the GStack, as this would sometimes involve moving it if there is not enough room at the top to drag the tab up.

On the other hand, the GStack can always be closed manually, I just fear users who only intended to resize the Gstack might think of it not automatically closing afterward as a bug.

Anyway, what do the interested parties say?

Although I still haven't been able to run the beta yet (still in final phase of a thorough backup but should finish soon now so maybe run it later), it sounds to me that making GSs detachable would be a throughly good idea. Certainly would make them even more useful here in combo with the shelf.

Just a quickie little question while I'm here Jorge. To get the double (sep. bitmaps) Net In and Net Out module to work, do I just provide the separate bitmaps and configure as for the twin (combined bitmap as in my new 'Productivity' theme) except of course with the relevant coordinates, or do I need to add anything else in the config? Asking as a theme I'm working on in parallel is meant to use this. MTIA.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12288

New Beta is out. Click your 'Check for Updates' button if you don't want to wait for the Update Manager to notify you.

sacco_belmonte · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 am **Posts:** 99

Installed. Working fine for the most part.

I tried "Open folders in Grid Stack"

Is that to open folders "as" grid stack?

I don't know if this is windows related or Winstep related but switching between different setting tabs is very slow. The window takes like 3s to switch and generally feels "heavy".

Anyone else?

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12288

sacco_belmonte wrote:

Is that to open folders "as" grid stack?

Ooops. The problem of not being a native English speaker.

Also, I think that setting should be inherited by the other grid stacks in the chain (so if the folder has more folders, they open as grid stacks too). What do you think?

sacco_belmonte wrote:

I don't know if this is windows related or Winstep related but switching between different setting tabs is very slow. The window takes like 3s to switch and generally feels "heavy".

Aren't you seeing the sliding animation? Could you post a video, please?

seeker · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:46 am **Posts:** 568

sacco_belmonte wrote:

Installed. Working fine for the most part.

I tried "Open folders in Grid Stack"

Is that to open folders "as" grid stack?

I don't know if this is windows related or Winstep related but switching between different setting tabs is very slow. The window takes like 3s to switch and generally feels "heavy".

Anyone else?

same here

nexter · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:27 am

nexter wrote:

winstep wrote:

.... Anyway, you would not normally move a GStack so the detachable sub-menu concept could actually be used here too - the exception being if you are merely trying to resize the GStack, as this would sometimes involve moving it if there is not enough room at the top to drag the tab up.

On the other hand, the GStack can always be closed manually, I just fear users who only intended to resize the Gstack might think of it not automatically closing afterward as a bug.

Anyway, what do the interested parties say?

Although I still haven't been able to run the beta yet (still in final phase of a thorough backup but should finish soon now so maybe run it later), it sounds to me that making GSs detachable would be a throughly good idea. Certainly would make them even more useful here in combo with the shelf.

Just a quickie little question while I'm here Jorge. To get the double (sep. bitmaps) Net In and Net Out module to work, do I just provide the separate bitmaps and configure as for the twin (combined bitmap as in my new 'Productivity' theme) except of course with the relevant coordinates, or do I need to add anything else in the config? Asking as a theme I'm working on in parallel is meant to use this. MTIA.

Bummer, I just ran up the 'old' beta earlier, and now there's a new one already!

Anyway, first impressions - GS seem great, and they'll serve perfectly in lieu of that 'Boxes' idea I mentioned some time ago. In fact, they really are much the same thing, just they're outside the shelf and much more versatile of course. But if they were detachable that would be even better. Brill, Jorge!

Will get new beta in a bit, can't sleep.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12288

seeker wrote:

sacco_belmonte wrote:

I don't know if this is windows related or Winstep related but switching between different setting tabs is very slow. The window takes like 3s to switch and generally feels "heavy".

Anyone else?

same here

So, guys, you say something like that and offer no more details? Now I'm worried!

Is this specific to this beta or was it already like that? What version of Windows are both of you running? Is the UI slide animation enabled?

sacco_belmonte · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 am **Posts:** 99

Nevermind. Is windows, after rebooting all goes fast again.

The last windows version is bugged somewhere in the UI department.

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So, guys, you say something like that and offer no more details? Now I'm worried!

I'm new to the party, I don't know how Winstep behaves normally. Sorry.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12288

sacco_belmonte wrote:

Nevermind. Is windows, after rebooting all goes fast again.

Hmmm... if it goes slow again, check the Windows Task Manager for a possible memory leak of the Winstep application. Just in case.

Also, how's the performance of the cached Grid Stacks now (and the fact that the whole thing doesn't freeze for a moment anymore)?

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