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 Post subject: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:48 pm 
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Unfortunately I've found a very annoying gfx bug in Nexus 12.2:
all clipboard history tools (ClipX, Clippy etc. etc.) will pop-up their hidden window + toolbar icon when Nexus is running.
I suppose it's a side effect of the hook used by your tool to monitor running apps...

Here are some example screenshots (ClipX is free and available on Softpedia to test):

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Normally (without Nexus running) that ghost icon + window are invisible.
Please can you fix this ugly glitch?


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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:10 pm 
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Please check. Do any of the Nexus pre-configured keyboard shortcuts happen to coincide with any of the mentioned programs keyboard shortcuts?

Let us know.

[EDITED] Those programs would have keyboard shortcuts to call them up. When dormant a process stays resident just checking if a call has been made. From Nexus, simply checking resident processes would not wake them up. Consider what might be making them active and awake at all times. My suggestion? If you can, change the keyboard shortcut keys of those programs. It would still be strange, but as long as it works...

Let us know if this succeeds. Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:06 am 
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Actually, I just used that ClipX that shows in your screenshots, and I don't have any such problem. The icon itself is sitting comfortably in the system tray and there is no ghost icon in the taskbar. Of course, I'm not running Nexus, per se, but Winstep (which is a superset of Nexus).
Could it be something else that's interfering with the programme in your computer? Or a combination of resident applets?

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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:38 pm 
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skagon wrote:
Actually, I just used that ClipX that shows in your screenshots, and I don't have any such problem. The icon itself is sitting comfortably in the system tray and there is no ghost icon in the taskbar. Of course, I'm not running Nexus, per se, but Winstep (which is a superset of Nexus).
Could it be something else that's interfering with the programme in your computer? Or a combination of resident applets?

It does. Please, follow these steps:

1. run NeXus + ClipX 1.0.3.9g x64
2. left-click on the desktop (important!).
3. call ClipX menu (I use CTRL+SHIFT+V). If you call it from a selected program window this won't happen. You have to click on the desktop first.


This happens with many tools of this kind when NeXus is running. Reproducible also with Clippy, Ditto etc. that use a custom made menu called with a shortcut (and an hidden window probably)...

Reproduced also on a totally clean Win7 x64 using VirtualBox.


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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:23 am 
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It happens even with Windows Live Mail, when you click on the desktop and then on the traybar icon to open its menu!

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When I quit Nexus the problem disappears.


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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:50 am 
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Hexaae wrote:
It happens even with Windows Live Mail, when you click on the desktop and then on the traybar icon to open its menu!

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When I quit Nexus the problem disappears.


i've seen that before with my system and on other systems. not sure what cause it, but i can tell you for a fact it is unlikely caused by a winstep product, cause i've seen in on systems with and without winstep.

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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:45 pm 
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Hexaae wrote:
skagon wrote:
Actually, I just used that ClipX that shows in your screenshots, and I don't have any such problem. The icon itself is sitting comfortably in the system tray and there is no ghost icon in the taskbar. Of course, I'm not running Nexus, per se, but Winstep (which is a superset of Nexus).
Could it be something else that's interfering with the programme in your computer? Or a combination of resident applets?

It does. Please, follow these steps:

1. run NeXus + ClipX 1.0.3.9g x64
2. left-click on the desktop (important!).
3. call ClipX menu (I use CTRL+SHIFT+V). If you call it from a selected program window this won't happen. You have to click on the desktop first.


This happens with many tools of this kind when NeXus is running. Reproducible also with Clippy, Ditto etc. that use a custom made menu called with a shortcut (and an hidden window probably)...

Reproduced also on a totally clean Win7 x64 using VirtualBox.


I'm sorry, mate... it just doesn't happen here. The menu appears normally, no ghost windows or anything.
Maybe it's some specific setting or combination of settings that triggers that 'bug'? Try Nexus with the default settings and see if it still occurs?
I can't really help you if I can't reproduce it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:21 pm 
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skagon wrote:
Hexaae wrote:
skagon wrote:
Actually, I just used that ClipX that shows in your screenshots, and I don't have any such problem. The icon itself is sitting comfortably in the system tray and there is no ghost icon in the taskbar. Of course, I'm not running Nexus, per se, but Winstep (which is a superset of Nexus).
Could it be something else that's interfering with the programme in your computer? Or a combination of resident applets?

It does. Please, follow these steps:

1. run NeXus + ClipX 1.0.3.9g x64
2. left-click on the desktop (important!).
3. call ClipX menu (I use CTRL+SHIFT+V). If you call it from a selected program window this won't happen. You have to click on the desktop first.


This happens with many tools of this kind when NeXus is running. Reproducible also with Clippy, Ditto etc. that use a custom made menu called with a shortcut (and an hidden window probably)...

Reproduced also on a totally clean Win7 x64 using VirtualBox.


I'm sorry, mate... it just doesn't happen here. The menu appears normally, no ghost windows or anything.
Maybe it's some specific setting or combination of settings that triggers that 'bug'? Try Nexus with the default settings and see if it still occurs?
I can't really help you if I can't reproduce it.

Thanks for testing but... I'm afraid you didn't follow EXACTLY my steps.
Click on the desktop first, at this point call ClipX menu, or right-click on the traybar icon of Windows Live Mail, or some other programs that open a menu from tray... Try multiple times.

As I've said I've just reproduced it on VirtualBox on a clean Win7 x64 install + NeXus + ClipX.
It's not a matter of weird conflicting programs or whatsoever but a bug when NeXus (default settings, just installed) is running. I'm a more then expert user who usually help others debugging Windows bugs and problems, and I'm sure of this bug.

Maybe you have a custom wallpaper manager or other tools on desktop background related that hide the problem in your case?


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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:26 pm 
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LightningBolt wrote:
Please check. Do any of the Nexus pre-configured keyboard shortcuts happen to coincide with any of the mentioned programs keyboard shortcuts?

Let us know.

[EDITED] Those programs would have keyboard shortcuts to call them up. When dormant a process stays resident just checking if a call has been made. From Nexus, simply checking resident processes would not wake them up. Consider what might be making them active and awake at all times. My suggestion? If you can, change the keyboard shortcut keys of those programs. It would still be strange, but as long as it works...

Let us know if this succeeds. Thank you.


Sorry but has nothing to do with shortcuts key, tested.
I've downloaded OD from http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Lau ... exus.shtml

ChuckysChild wrote:
Hexaae wrote:
It happens even with Windows Live Mail, when you click on the desktop and then on the traybar icon to open its menu!

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When I quit Nexus the problem disappears.


i've seen that before with my system and on other systems. not sure what cause it, but i can tell you for a fact it is unlikely caused by a winstep product, cause i've seen in on systems with and without winstep.

For sure it's triggered by NeXus, tested also on a totally clean Win7 installation. When I quit it everything goes back to normal and no ghost windows.

Repro steps I've written above are able to reproduce the problem 100%.
Win7 x64 Home Premium here (and on VirtualBox clean install test).


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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:24 pm 
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Hexaae wrote:
Thanks for testing but... I'm afraid you didn't follow EXACTLY my steps.

I am trying to be as polite as I can here, but you're beginning to sound condescending, and that is NOT something I appreciate.
How do you know I didn't follow your steps "EXACTLY"?

Hexaae wrote:
Click on the desktop first, at this point call ClipX menu, or right-click on the traybar icon of Windows Live Mail, or some other programs that open a menu from tray... Try multiple times.

Yeah, I heard you the first time. Doesn't happen.

Hexaae wrote:
As I've said I've just reproduced it on VirtualBox on a clean Win7 x64 install + NeXus + ClipX.
It's not a matter of weird conflicting programs or whatsoever but a bug when NeXus (default settings, just installed) is running. I'm a more then expert user who usually help others debugging Windows bugs and problems, and I'm sure of this bug.

Maybe you have a custom wallpaper manager or other tools on desktop background related that hide the problem in your case?

I have just installed Nexus free and the ClipX beta on a small net-top box I use for web-page testing. Completely clean Win7 installation (apart from Firefox and Chrome). Guess what. Doesn't happen.

And to repeat myself... try Nexus with the default settings and default dock and see if it still occurs. I just did on two different machines and it doesn't.

Now, I do apologise but I'm not going to waste more time trying to replicate a bug. I'm a plain user here, much like you. I don't get paid to bug-hunt or have a couple of computers here to screw up with, trying to replicate bugs. I think I've done more than enough already.
If you can come up with a specific combination of settings and actions that trigger the behaviour, I'll be glad to give it one more try.

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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:06 pm 
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skagon wrote:
Hexaae wrote:
Thanks for testing but... I'm afraid you didn't follow EXACTLY my steps.

I am trying to be as polite as I can here, but you're beginning to sound condescending, and that is NOT something I appreciate.
How do you know I didn't follow your steps "EXACTLY"?

Sorry, it's just that I've reproduced it on 3 machines, and 1 was a just fresh and clean Win7 x64 install on VirtualBox from original MS DVD. Nothing else installed except NeXus and ClipX. Impossible a more standard config for testing.
Only for this reason.

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I have just installed Nexus free and the ClipX beta on a small net-top box I use for web-page testing. Completely clean Win7 installation (apart from Firefox and Chrome). Guess what. Doesn't happen.

Well, don't know what to say because I've different results on a brand new Win7 x64 install from a MS DVD and nothing else ever installed before. It's not an old system setup kept clean or a laptop preinstall: it's a brand new (= virgin) OS install from Windows 7 DVD just for testing NeXus.
I click on the desktop, call ClipX menu, the ghost icon pops-up with the ghost window in the toolbar... and it's not only with ClipX, it happens also with a few other programs that open a menu from trybar or directly on the desktop...
I'm also sure, that quitting NeXus (= not running) the problem is irreproducible. When I quit and restart Clipx and then restart NeXus the problem appears again.

Hope Winstep coders have a possible explanation for the bug since they know how internally works NeXus and if it uses some hooks to API function that can potentially cause this problem...

P.S.:
To be 100% sure, I'll reinstall Win7 x64 + NeXus + ClipX again this night. I will experiment with NeXus (clean) settings to reproduce or not the issue...


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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:41 pm 
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Now it gets interesting...

Hexaae wrote:
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It's not an old system setup kept clean or a laptop preinstall: it's a brand new (= virgin) OS install from Windows 7 DVD just for testing NeXus.
...

Actually, the net-top I talked about is literally an unused system from a brand-new installation of Win7 32-bit. I simply don't use it for anything other than testing the web pages I create myself on various browsers.

However, I hadn't used it for a couple of weeks, so... an hour ago, it gave me a list of Windows updates. Guess what. After the updates were installed and the system rebooted, the problem appeared!
So... my verdict is that, probably, some new Windows update screwed something up. However, I still can't replicate it on my main PC (which is Win7 Enterprise 64bit and fully updated).

Weird...

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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:08 pm 
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skagon wrote:
Now it gets interesting...

Hexaae wrote:
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It's not an old system setup kept clean or a laptop preinstall: it's a brand new (= virgin) OS install from Windows 7 DVD just for testing NeXus.
...

Actually, the net-top I talked about is literally an unused system from a brand-new installation of Win7 32-bit. I simply don't use it for anything other than testing the web pages I create myself on various browsers.

However, I hadn't used it for a couple of weeks, so... an hour ago, it gave me a list of Windows updates. Guess what. After the updates were installed and the system rebooted, the problem appeared!
So... my verdict is that, probably, some new Windows update screwed something up. However, I still can't replicate it on my main PC (which is Win7 Enterprise 64bit and fully updated).

Weird...

Wait!!
Incredible enough but I've found the problem, and it's caused by Windows settings too! :shock:

Please, retry my steps above one last time, but before doing this try changing Windows background or set cyclic change...
Background change (also once) + Nexus running + ClipX pop-menu = bug!

You should finally be able to reproduce this situation:
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This is REALLY the most strange bug I've ever seen. Again, without Nexus running I can't reproduce it though...


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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:25 pm 
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Hexaae wrote:
Wait!!
Incredible enough but I've found the problem, and it's caused by Windows settings too! :shock:


At this point you should consider if the problem you are experiencing is caused by Nexus not complying with Microsoft design specifications. You may have detected weird and erratic behavior in connection with Nexus operation. However, if development here complied with the information and the technical specifications provided by Microsoft Corp. it seems to me you are filing a bug report in the wrong place.

Even if that is the case, your input is welcome. It helps us to know a problem is out there, even if, as it might be, it's not a result of Nexus development, and it was entirely incidental that you detected it while using Nexus.

In other words, and I say this in earnest, thanks for the info.

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 Post subject: Re: Bug with clipboard history programs
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:51 pm 
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LightningBolt wrote:
Hexaae wrote:
Wait!!
Incredible enough but I've found the problem, and it's caused by Windows settings too! :shock:


At this point you should consider if the problem you are experiencing is caused by Nexus not complying with Microsoft design specifications. You may have detected weird and erratic behavior in connection with Nexus operation. However, if development here complied with the information and the technical specifications provided by Microsoft Corp. it seems to me you are filing a bug report in the wrong place.

Even if that is the case, your input is welcome. It helps us to know a problem is out there, even if, as it might be, it's not a result of Nexus development, and it was entirely incidental that you detected it while using Nexus.

In other words, and I say this in earnest, thanks for the info.

Please, can you link me to the bug-report form?

All I want is using a NeXus version without this side-effect bug, because I like changing Windows backgrounds too... Hope developers will find a workaround since it's 100% reproducible (it's not a random bug. Now we've found how to reproduce it always) in these circumstances and Nexus, besides this small annoying issue, is the best dock manager for Windows.


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