So, what's next after v18.10?

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12286

sacco_belmonte wrote:

If I colorize the grid stack background to 40-40-40 using the monochrome tint it looks better. The default option seems to be too dark and some icons that have dark borders don't look good.

You know you can use whatever theme you want with it, right?

Each GStack can even have it's own different theme (just don't forget to lock their themes or they will change too when you change the global theme).

sacco_belmonte wrote:

This video shows the tools and the audio grid stacks.

Ehehe. You almost got it right, but it's

Code:

[youtube]K_0UQNu3r-0[/youtube]

not

Code:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/K_0UQNu3r-0[/youtube]

sacco_belmonte · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 am **Posts:** 99

jeez.

nexter · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:20 pm

winstep wrote:

Apologies for the delay on the new beta... getting this to be almost perfect is a hell of a lot of work.

.... You have no idea how much code re-arranging this apparently simple thing required - and how difficult it was to pull it off ....

Just another quick and easy thing to implement before the 'Big Bastard', eh Jorge?

oOSGearOo · **Joined:** Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:42 pm **Posts:** 156

Hi Jorge
I see your very busy I post again just incase you missed it.

oOSGearOo wrote:

winstep wrote:

oOSGearOo wrote:

Ok I have a GS of network connections, very slow to open the first time(beta1) last time.

Making Winstep docks, shelves, drawers, menus or Gstacks point to non-local files in a network is generally a VERY BAD IDEA.

No Create new GS selecting "Network connections" from the list is all that it was no dead links ........

winstep wrote:

The problem is that Winstep applications are not multi-threaded, so I can't create a separate thread to wait for network connections to either time out or return something. As such, any references to non-local files can block the application for a very long time until either the connection resolves or it times out.

oOSGearOo wrote:

This time round the same, however the item was duplicated in the dock. As in I now have two GS off Network connections.

Eh? What type are the GStacks? A screenshot would be nice.

I cant replicate it so no ScreenShots or video sorry. I went and downloaded the Beta1 and applied it I assume its the same. Although you may not have replaced it, you may have over written it with Beta2 Exe for download. They where two GridStacks yes.

winstep wrote:

Also, open Preferences, go to the Advanced tab, click the Troubleshooting Options button, then 'Check integrity of docks and shelves'. What does it say?

"No problems found" See above can you send me "Beta1.exe" my nass has mucked up I dont think I have the right files to replicate the issue, a link to pre GS extream would be nice also. I await pm.

sacco_belmonte · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 am **Posts:** 99

Quote:

You know you can use whatever theme you want with it, right?

I was just providing some feedback about the looks for a default style before release.

oOSGearOo · **Joined:** Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:42 pm **Posts:** 156

oOSGearOo wrote:

Hi Jorge
I see your very busy I post again just incase you missed it.

Nevermind Jorge got my NAS fixed got the beta's of it. I can't replicate that GS duplication. Next time if there is a next time iam videoing it.

Windy · **Joined:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:47 pm **Posts:** 933

Was very busy. Sorry I didn't reply sooner.

Windy wrote:

This is one of the things I was going to ask you about. Are you saying it's solely a performance issue and not impossible to do? If it's solely a performance issue, will it run normally with higher-end CPUs and monitors? If that's the case, warn the user about the possibility of performance issues. My setup runs 4k with no problem and has a solid state drive.

winstep wrote:

Impossible to do WHAT exactly?! You can already expand a Shelf so it covers your whole screen (just drag the tab header), but you do so at your own peril.

This is not Windows Explorer where window backgrounds have no bitmaps and icons have no mouseover (etc) effects applied to them and are always the same size. The Shelf has to redraw EVERYTHING, and smooth scrolling a 4K sized Shelf is definitely not the same as scrolling a 4K sized Explorer window, despite all the speed optimizations I added to the code.

After a certain Shelf size and depending on your processor, things like scrolling, etc, start to get sluggish, even on a faster processor. The Shelf is NOT and was NEVER intended to run full screen all the time - you can, but if your CPU sucks and things get sluggish don't then turn around saying WorkShelf is slow.

This is what I find ironic about people who complain on uninstall surveys that the dock is slow. They have really low end CPUs but enable every single effect and feature they can on Nexus, and then complain that it runs slow. I wonder if they also run their games on Ultra on their integrated Intel GPUs and then complain that THE GAME is slow lol.

Jorge, to test it out, I dropped over 250 folders into a single-tab WorkShelf and it ran flawlessly. Either, my setup is bad-ass, or it's a combination of it being bad-ass and Winstep being excellent at using the bare minimum resources.

So I'm confident if you added the 2 features I addressed in my previous post there would be no slow down on my PC.

winstep wrote:

Windy wrote:

(with the ability to scroll in small or large increments).

Press SHIFT while clicking on a scroll arrow in the Shelf to scroll one page at a time. Press CTRL while clicking on a scroll arrow in the Shelf to scroll all the way to the bottom or to the top.

The Ctrl option works great!! However, when pressing Shift, I'm puzzled as to you saying it moves one page at a time. Unless I'm doing something wrong, it moves no differently than when Shift isn't pressed or when I use my scroll ring.

It isn't a big deal. Probably because of the flexibility of my mouse settings software, using my scroll ring is quick enough and slow enough to handle small and mid-range increments effectively.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12286

Windy wrote:

So I'm confident if you added the 2 features I addressed in my previous post there would be no slow down on my PC.

Ok, I must be getting confused again lol What exactly are those two features?

One of them seems to be a full screen Shelf and I already told you that you can do that.

Windy wrote:

However, when pressing Shift, I'm puzzled as to you saying it moves one page at a time. Unless I'm doing something wrong, it moves no differently than when Shift isn't pressed or when I use my scroll ring.

Well, what is a "page" in Shelf terms? It's how many rows of icons the Shelf is displaying. If you have it set to display only a single icon row, then obviously it's going to behave the same as when you use the scroll wheel.

But now try this: grab the tab header and drag so the Shelf is now displaying two or more rows of icons. Now try the SHIFT trick again. See the difference?

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12286

You guys noticed that the dock seems to feeze for a little bit when opening a GStack pointing to a folder with lots and lots of items?

Well, it no longer does that. Now the dock (or whatever the GStack parent object is) remains completely responsive and the launch animation keeps playing while the GStack is opening.

Little detail but kind of makes a world of difference.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12286

nexter wrote:

Just another quick and easy thing to implement before the 'Big Bastard', eh Jorge?

Absolutely *anything* can be used as an excuse not to work on the 'Big Bastard' lol... but don't forget what is also being worked on in relation to the Winstep web site.

Also, Stacks had been on my to-do list for a very long time (as indeed did Drawers) - but I had to wait until I finally added support for multiple and vertical Shelves to implement those ideas.

Right now I feel like a freight train going through my to-do list, with a big bastard waiting for me at the end of the line lol

sacco_belmonte wrote:

I was just providing some feedback about the looks for a default style before release.

Eheh. It will look just like a Shelf - but then you can tweak it to your blessed little heart's content.

Bet that when you joined you didn't expect your request for a Stacks docklet to be fulfilled quite this fast (or this good), eh?

nexter · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:06 am

A couple - well, three actually - of simple/supplementary points remain Jorge. I've underlined the salient points and added supplementaries where necessary. MTIA.

nexter wrote:

winstep wrote:

nexter wrote:

Question - how can I get a GridStack onto a hotspot in the QL of the NS Taskbar?

For the moment, you can't - and while I see how this would be useful .... we have a problem: ....

So, at the moment I am not really sure how to solve this problem.

.... Anyway, so it should be possible to have a QL hotspot for an icon in a shelf etc., but I imagine this would open the GS by the original icon?

winstep wrote:

....Set the clock style to digital .... enable 'Show time only'.

.... Also, if everything else was moved up a little, there would be ample space for the date as well. Anyway, so what would be so wrong if skinners could perhaps set the colour and font of the text? It's only a tiny step really and I'm sure you would see a lot more digital clocks in themes. (I presume this would already work with a WsClockD.* icon?)

I guess I'll find out at some point within the next couple of days when I'm 'test-driving' a theme I'm working on with digital clocks.

nexter wrote:

winstep wrote:

I never said anything about *USER* changes being saved, what I said is that the settings that define the color of histograms in a particular theme can be set by the SKINNER in the theme configuration files. They can also be changed by the user after loading the theme, but this will not save the new colors to the theme.

Oh, right, so at the moment we can only save it by manually editing the appropriate config line in the config file?

And which line/s?
And does the same apply to the grid colours for the shelf's icon grid?

Oh, and I'll be able to get/run the betas soon as should be home this afternoon. So probably by Sunday, as have to do a full backup that's overdue by now.

nexter · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:16 am

winstep wrote:

nexter wrote:

Just another quick and easy thing to implement before the 'Big Bastard', eh Jorge?

Absolutely *anything* can be used as an excuse not to work on the 'Big Bastard' lol... but don't forget what is also being worked on in relation to the Winstep web site.

LOL! Yeah, I noticed that.

And yes, that site addition certainly should urge you on extra double quick! ;

winstep wrote:

Also, Stacks had been on my to-do list for a very long time (as indeed did Drawers) - but I had to wait until I finally added support for multiple and vertical Shelves to implement those ideas.

Indeed. However, it didn't really come into the immediate plans until a couple or so 'refugees' from OD/RD mentioned stacks.

winstep wrote:

Right now I feel like a freight train going through my to-do list, with a big bastard waiting for me at the end of the line lol

LOL! Ah but that freight train should be heading straight for that Big B first - face it straight on!

Windy · **Joined:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:47 pm **Posts:** 933

winstep wrote:

Windy wrote:

So I'm confident if you added the 2 features I addressed in my previous post there would be no slow down on my PC.

winstep wrote:

Ok, I must be getting confused again lol What exactly are those two features?

One of them seems to be a full screen Shelf and I already told you that you can do that.

This is what I'm referring to in the earlier post.

Windy wrote:

The single tab WorkShelf has only 2 seemingly simple things missing that accomplishes what I'm trying to do.

1. An option for it to collapse to the desired size/Scale. It presently cannot collapse to a size/Scale smaller than what the icon rows are set at. I have the single tab WorkShelf (and Grid Stack) Scale set to 130%.

2. What you said here.

winstep wrote:

...the relative position of icon rows on upside down shelves.

Anyway, the answer is 'I don't know yet'. Once (if) I add it, I will say so here.

Windy wrote:

However, when pressing Shift, I'm puzzled as to you saying it moves one page at a time. Unless I'm doing something wrong, it moves no differently than when Shift isn't pressed or when I use my scroll ring.

winstep wrote:

Well, what is a "page" in Shelf terms? It's how many rows of icons the Shelf is displaying. If you have it set to display only a single icon row, then obviously it's going to behave the same as when you use the scroll wheel.

But now try this: grab the tab header and drag so the Shelf is now displaying two or more rows of icons. Now try the SHIFT trick again. See the difference?

Okay, see the difference.

I have only one row since for now I'm using a workaround (dropped a Grid Stack into a single-tab WorkShelf and it's the only thing in there) until you hopefully add the two features.

I think I already removed the test one that I dropped more than 250 folders in before I thought about trying the Ctrl and Shift feature. Because I didn't want to create a new one again, I dropped only about 15 folders into my current one and of course, it stayed as a single row. I dropped only 15 because there is no way to batch delete folders/icons.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12286

Windy wrote:

Okay, see the difference.

I have only one row since for now I'm using a workaround (dropped a Grid Stack into a single-tab WorkShelf and it's the only thing in there) until you hopefully add the two features.

WHAT two features?! :roll:

Windy wrote:

I think I already removed the test one that I dropped more than 250 folders in before I thought about trying the Ctrl and Shift feature. Because I didn't want to create a new one again, I dropped only about 15 folders into my current one and of course, it stayed as a single row. I dropped only 15 because there is no way to batch delete folders/icons.

True, but you can delete the whole tab.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12286

winstep wrote:

WHAT two features?! :roll:

Oh. You put them inline with the other quotes. lol

Windy wrote:

1. An option for it to collapse to the desired size/Scale. It presently cannot collapse to a size/Scale smaller than what the icon rows are set at. I have the single tab WorkShelf (and Grid Stack) Scale set to 130%.

I can't even visualize what you mean or even want by this.

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