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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:36 pm 
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Hey, congrats Jorge, great stuff for Win 11 users! Now watch M$ throw another spaniel [sic!] in the works next time... ;)


First they should solve all the issues in 24H2, but I suspect they won't lol

I will have to make a post detailing stuff wrong with 24H2 that affects Winstep software. I have never seen such a train wreck, and this *months* after launch!

Another apparent issue: something as basic as auto-hiding the **Windows** taskbar doesn't seem to be working (not good because it means in certain cases a collapsed shelf docked to the bottom of the screen becomes inaccessible, as it is covered up by a Windows taskbar that should be hidden but isn't - also not good if you are trying to avoid burn in on OLED displays).

I searched online and the "official" solution for this seems to be to restart Explorer via Task Manager (which comes with its own set of issues as some applications will not re-register their system tray icons etc) and is, at best, a temporary solution.

OTOH, the issue that affected incorrect CPU usage reporting in all 3rd party applications that has been plaguing us since 22H2 (which I provided an optional fix in the CPU Meter Settings via the 'Serialize Timer Expiration' setting) SEEMS to have been fixed. Only took them 2 years and two major Window releases, yay!

Another record for Microsoft lol

Anyway, I haven't run into any high memory usage situations with WorkShelf/Nexus Ultimate yet as those reported in this thread, and memory usage numbers seem to be stable. What this probably means is that whatever is leaking memory is probably specific to some configuration users have (i.e. to be clear: the memory leak is not the fault of the Winstep application itself but another bug in the OS, but for it to happen it requires a specific configuration in the Winstep application - or even in Windows itself - which I will need to reproduce here in order to find the culprit and come up with a work-around).

Unless Microsoft fixed this issue in one of the latest updates to 24H2, of course. I need more feedback from Winstep users on 24H2, please.

Holy Cr**, my head spins! What a mess they are making of Windows. No wonder more and more people are jumping ship to Linux. Best think about coding stuff for Linux, Jorge - open source doesn't have to mean free of cost. And open source is actually a very good thing - among other things, it promotes trust and confidence in the software. And it definitely is the future. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:06 pm 
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Forgot to add another MAJOR issue with 24H2: docks, desktop modules, the NextSTART taskbar, etc, are no longer able to remain on screen if the user presses WIN + D even when the "Keep x visible when pressing WIN+D (Show Desktop)" setting is checked. This is NOT specific to Winstep applications, it affects **ALL** 3rd party applications that relied on keeping some of their windows visible after pressing WIN+D (like Rainmeter, Objectdock, etc).

Windows with the WS_EX_TOOLWINDOW extended style would remain on screen even when WIN+D was pressed, so if you wanted a screen object (such as a widget, etc) not to be automatically hidden by Windows, you would simply set this extended style in the screen object. It has been like this, since, well, forever.

EDIT: The above is actually completely wrong, sorry. My fault for relying on memory relative to some very old code. The WS_EX_TOOLWINDOW extended style is actually used to prevent windows/screen objects from being automatically repositioned by Windows when the size of reserved screen areas change. The method for WIN+D was a bit more complicated and involved changing the "owner" of the windows/screen objects you wished to remain visible, IIRC.

24H2 broke this. I'm not sure if it's a bug or if it was deliberate and Microsoft in their infinite arrogance simply doesn't care, but it is affecting a ton of applications that relied on this behavior and, of course, pissing off a lot of users since currently there is no work-around that properly preserves the z-order of the windows, etc...

Personally I never use WIN+D, but I'm pretty sure I would be pissed too if I did and it no longer worked as expected with my favorite applications.

It just saddens me to see Microsoft being run by a new generation of developers who thinks new is always better and doesn't understand why backwards compatibility is so important. If Windows wasn't such a monopoly in practice, I'm pretty sure MS would quickly get the message as soon as users started voting with their feet and moving en masse to other OSs.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:54 am 
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winstep wrote:
Forgot to add another MAJOR issue with 24H2: docks, desktop modules, the NextSTART taskbar, etc, are no longer able to remain on screen if the user presses WIN + D even when the "Keep x visible when pressing WIN+D (Show Desktop)" setting is checked. This is NOT specific to Winstep applications, it affects **ALL** 3rd party applications that relied on keeping some of their windows visible after pressing WIN+D (like Rainmeter, Objectdock, etc).

Windows with the WS_EX_TOOLWINDOW extended style would remain on screen even when WIN+D was pressed, so if you wanted a screen object (such as a widget, etc) not to be automatically hidden by Windows, you would simply set this extended style in the screen object. It has been like this, since, well, forever.

24H2 broke this. I'm not sure if it's a bug or if it was deliberate and Microsoft in their infinite arrogance simply doesn't care, but it is affecting a ton of applications that relied on this behavior and, of course, pissing off a lot of users since currently there is no work-around that properly preserves the z-order of the windows, etc...

Personally I never use WIN+D, but I'm pretty sure I would be pissed too if I did and it no longer worked as expected with my favorite applications.

It just saddens me to see Microsoft being run by a new generation of developers who thinks new is always better and doesn't understand why backwards compatibility is so important. If Windows wasn't such a monopoly in practice, I'm pretty sure MS would quickly get the message as soon as users started voting with their feet and moving en masse to other OSs.

That is another major issue for those that use the Win+D key combo to display the desktop. (Although just why anyone would want to do that is beyond me. I hide it to be rid of it, I don't want to see it again!) Ah well, to each his own I guess.

As for users voting with their feet, they are doing that already in good numbers - the Linux market share keeps going up quite significantly, the largest single beneficiary being Ubuntu. But, even if or when the exodus from Windows becomes a mass movement, I don't think M$ gives a crap about the desktop market any more anyway. There are richer pickings elsewhere...

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:35 pm 
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Another oddity (to say the list) with 24H2: my Samsung S23 was no longer being recognized by Windows, all I got when I connected it via USB to my PC to transfer photos as I always did previously was a "charging" notification on the phone.

Looked online, different answers, the only thing that finally worked for me was connecting the phone using the USB-C cable that came with it. Other USB-C (and USB-C to USB-A) cables (from previous models) did not work at all.

How stupid is this?

EDIT: Ok, for the benefit of those suffering from the same problem who came across this post via Google Search, something else that fixes this issue without the need to use the original cable that came with your phone (not every PC has a USB-C port, etc):

Simply uninstall the Phone Link App (and then reboot your system)!!!!

Yes, that's it.

For some reason Phone Link doesn't have an uninstall option. You have to go to Power Shell and uninstall it manually. To do this *right click* the Start Button (Windows Start Button or NextSTART Start Button), and select 'Windows Power Shell (Admin)'.

In Power Shell type

Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.YourPhone -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage

then reboot your system. After rebooting your Samsung phone should now be recognized without the need to use a special cable.

Microsoft, making life difficult for everyone, one step at a time! :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:22 pm 
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Just installed the latest 24H2. Nothing has changed for me on high CPU use. I reset settings, no difference. I did see a significant drop when disabling the workshelf docks I had enabled. But maybe that is supposed to happen?.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:53 pm 
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PumaUK wrote:
Just installed the latest 24H2. Nothing has changed for me on high CPU use. I reset settings, no difference. I did see a significant drop when disabling the workshelf docks I had enabled. But maybe that is supposed to happen?.


No. CPU usage is supposed to be negligible.

I am definitely NOT seeing high CPU usage here now that I also am on 24H2.

What happens if you make a backup of your settings first (Preferences -> Advanced tab -> Backup) then on the same tab click on Troubleshooting Options and then 'Reset Everything' on the dialog that pops up?

This will reset WorkShelf to factory settings, I'm curious if at this state it still maintains high CPU usage.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:21 pm 
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Still the same, after resetting everything


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:34 pm 
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Only the default dock and shelf?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:39 pm 
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Have the paid ultimate. So it restored to dock, widgets etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:46 pm 
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You have Winstep Xtreme, not Nexus Ultimate (j/k). :D

Anyway, try closing all desktop widgets and removing all the widgets from the shelf and the dock. Trying to eliminate the widgets/modules as a cause here, if a particular widget is not being used anywhere, WorkShelf will not run any code for it.

At this point this needs to become a process of elimination by trial and error.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:14 am 
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Just a dock running. Still the same. Could be like looking for a needle in a haystack.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:38 am 
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Yes it could be.

What does the dock have in it? A screenshot might help, perhaps?

Also, long shot but: if you open Windows Settings -> Privacy & Security -> Windows Security -> Device Security -> Core Isolation Details, is Memory Integrity on or off? Mine is off, read that it can be problematic... What about the other options in the same dialog?

Also, what AV software are you running?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:58 pm 
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I made the dock just have the nexus options and start menu button. I don't have any antivirus third party installed. I just use windows security. Checked my Core Isolation setting and it is on. I will try to disable it and check. The only other option looks like its locked down to on and that is Vulnerable driver blocklist


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
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Let me know if disabling core isolation changed anything. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 11 24H2
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Disabling it, didn't help.


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