So, what's next after v18.10?

nexter · **Posted:** Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:34 pm

winstep wrote:

Err, there is only a majority now that you stated your opinion - and even then it's a majority of two lol.

.... If you think about it, makes all the sense in the word: GStacks are no different than tabs in Shelves. The icons in a Shelf tab do not get cached until you actually open the tab. So, if this is the way it works with the tabs in your Shelf, there is no reason in the world why it shouldn't also work that way with GStacks.

Plus, there actually is a huge difference in performance between opening a cached GStack and a non cached GStack (and image thumbnails already appear rendered the second time around)....

LOL! OK, all long understood Jorge, and now conceded.

winstep wrote:

nexter wrote:

1) WRT GridStacks, it should be possible - at least in theory - to have a GS icon in a shelf say and then have a QL Hotspot pointing to this? But would the GS then open relative to the original icon, or to the hotspot?

I don't know yet if that is a good idea, still have to think about it. Anyway, in either case it would open relative to the hotspot.

If that was to work fine, then great, that would do very nicely IMO. No need for a direct, independent hotspot then really, so less work.

winstep wrote:

nexter wrote:

2) What lines do I have to use in the config file to save the in-shelf/-dock etc. histo colour to the theme?

Sigh. Those are defined in the configuration files of the modules themselves:

GraphColor

Sigh. Bugger! And I blindly thought that only referred to the colour with non-advs skinning.

winstep wrote:

nexter wrote:

3) What lines do I have to use in the config file to save the icon frames/grid colours to the theme?

ActiveFrameColor1
ActiveFrameColor2

Wasn't quite sure what those lines referred to actually. Bummer.

Anyway, thank you so much for taking time out and helping solve these little puzzles for me Jorge, appreciate it.

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12289

Vlad wrote:

When I was changing it from the default C:/ to the Music folder I got some crashes. Now is working well.

How did you change the folder?

Can you reproduce this consistently?

Vlad wrote:

They are coded the same way, work in other players, the playlist is generated correctly, but the same files gets skipped on playing. Guess is something codec related... Don`t know how the Winstep MPlayer uses the system codecs.

Could be a 64 bit vs. 32 bit issue:

Codecs come in separate 64 bit and 32 bit packages. A 64 bit codec cannot be used by a 32 bit media player and vice-versa.

Normally you have to install two versions of the same codec pack: one the 32 bit version, the other the 64 bit version.

If you only have the 64 bit codecs installed, 64 bit media players will be fine, but not the 32 bit media players such as the Winstep Media Player.

Also, can you please double check that WsMMPlay.exe is running when you are listening to MP3 files using the Winstep Media Player?

Vlad wrote:

Question: Does it makes sense to you to have the icon that opens the grid also be usable as a shortcut? (in the way a shortcut icon can have a nested subdock).

No. For starters, Grid Stacks do not have sub-dock indicators. And even if they did, there would be a conflict between showing the Grid Stack or the sub-dock when clicking on the indicator.

Vlad · **Joined:** Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:28 pm **Posts:** 157

winstep wrote:

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How did you change the folder?

Can you reproduce this consistently?

Right click/change folder. It did not work the first 2-3 times. Then I used the Grid Proprieties and tried to browse the path, same problem, then I pasted the path and it worked. Now it is working either way.

winstep wrote:

Quote:

Also, can you please double check that WsMMPlay.exe is running when you are listening to MP3 files using the Winstep Media Player?

I am listening right now via Winstep Media Player and WsMMPlay.exe is not running.

winstep wrote:

Quote:

Vlad wrote:
Question: Does it makes sense to you to have the icon that opens the grid also be usable as a shortcut? (in the way a shortcut icon can have a nested subdock).

No. For starters, Grid Stacks do not have sub-dock indicators. And even if they did, there would be a conflict between showing the Grid Stack or the sub-dock when clicking on the indicator.

I was in doubt about that, did not know how could that be translated to grids. I liked the fact that I could have a program launch (like my main web browser) via an icon and also have a subdock attached to that icon with the other browsers. I have a few icons configured like that. Well, I guess I will keep some with the subdock attached and others are already turned into grids for good.

nexter · **Posted:** Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:51 pm

Well, that all seems to have worked out just dandy, thanks again Jorge. So now you have a theme that actually uses the digital clock, both in-shelf/-dock etc., *and* that uses colour-coordinated frames in the shelf!

(And even properly matched up in-shelf/-dock histo colours! LOL!

See the (prior to changes) screen grab and my idea for the startmenu here : https://forums.winstep.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10870

Vlad · **Joined:** Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:28 pm **Posts:** 157

Also I noticed that the inverted vertical drawers are still having issues regarding positioning. Although those do not jump around on drag and drop anymore, they still change position after a restart of the workshelf.

seeker · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:46 am **Posts:** 568

winstep wrote:

seeker wrote:

how about gstack being a standalone feature like a dock or drawer, not just sub-stack from shelf/dock/drawer?

Wouldn't that be exactly the same as a single tabbed Shelf set to show a fixed number of icon rows?

now that you mention it i guess it would

edit: my thinking was more that once you have a grid you might want to 'pull it' away from his parent dock/shelf and have it standalone

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12289

seeker wrote:

edit: my thinking was more that once you have a grid you might want to 'pull it' away from his parent dock/shelf and have it standalone

Ah, like the detachable menus in NextSTART.

Problem is, you can already drag GStacks around (and even resize, although the new size will not be remembered once you close them) which is kind of incompatible with the idea of detachable GStacks.

seeker · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:46 am **Posts:** 568

winstep wrote:

seeker wrote:

edit: my thinking was more that once you have a grid you might want to 'pull it' away from his parent dock/shelf and have it standalone

Ah, like the detachable menus in NextSTART.

Problem is, you can already drag GStacks around (and even resize, although the new size will not be remembered once you close them) which is kind of incompatible with the idea of detachable GStacks.

more like subdocks but yeah

shame

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12289

Vlad wrote:

I am listening right now via Winstep Media Player and WsMMPlay.exe is not running.

NOT running? Why the hell not? Did you delete it from C:\Program Files (x86)\Winstep\ ?

That could be the cause of all your errors right there. There's a reason the Winstep application uses an external applet to play MP3 files, and Seeker has first hand experience on why, with weird random crashes happening to him too: just read this mammoth thread here to understand how difficult it was to diagnose this problem (things escalate quickly to a solution from page 5 onward lol).

Basically bad MP3 codecs can corrupt the main memory space of the Winstep application if it plays them directly (and that is exactly what it does if it cannot launch WsMMPlay.exe for some reason).

sacco_belmonte · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 am **Posts:** 99

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winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12289

sacco_belmonte wrote:

1f y0u d0 s0 y0u11 r3gr3t it lik3 m3.

LOL! Ooops... sorry about that...

When you are running a beta, especially one that messes with internal structures, there is always a possibility of something going terribly wrong, which is why I recommended making a backup before installing the beta.

In this case the issue was not even a bug in the code, it was something really, really, really stupid: I forgot to declare a variable inside the OLE drop routine, and because a function with the same name existed elsewhere, instead of throwing a 'variable not found' error (which would have immediately alerted me to the error) it run the function instead - which in turn corrupted the internal pointer that lets the Shelf know which Shelf it is.

Basically gave it an identity crisis.

sacco_belmonte · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 am **Posts:** 99

1t's c0ld h3r3.

C@n 1 just dr0p th3 OL3 r0utin3?

1'm sc@r3d. I just w@nn@ g0 h0m3 und3r @ bl@nk3t.

...just joking, I didn't dare to put a grid inside a grid. :mrgreen:

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12289

sacco_belmonte wrote:

...just joking, I didn't dare to put a grid inside a grid. :mrgreen:

LOL. That would have indeed created an inter-dimensional wormhole right under your feet and suck you into an alternate universe. :wink:

vectornut · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:22 am

nexter wrote:

winstep wrote:

You want to control what users can and cannot do, and I want users to be free! I'm fighting for freedom, you are fighting for oppression LOL LOL

LOLOL! Ballcocks, Jorge!

Freedom is a much abused word. It's one of the things that's f***ed up this society in the first place - the 'freedom' of the individual placed above the well-being of the community and the society as a whole.

Users need constraints to some extent in the context of any programme. I'm just advocating sensible, simple common-sense constraints (and that includes, btw., the constraint not to infringe the skinner's copyright!) on how themes are presented to and used by the user. Users still have the choice not to use a given theme if they don't like the constraints it presents, and to choose another theme instead. Simple.

Jorge, in Soviet RiKistan (changed from C because Soviet/Cyrillic C means something else) the theme controls the user. ;-)

winstep · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:30 pm **Posts:** 12289

vectornut wrote:

Jorge, in Soviet RiKistan (changed from C because Soviet/Cyrillic C means something else) the theme controls the user. ;-)

Ehehehe.

See, Ric?! :wink:

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