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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2025 8:53 pm 
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So, the idea of the Launch Stack is that when you left click on it all items inside are launched all at once (i.e.; group launch).

Thing is, you also need a way to open it so you can edit the contents. If the Launch Stack is empty left clicking will open it, but what about when it already has items?

With the new multi-select option we can no longer use the SHIFT and CTRL modifiers, as this are now used to multi-select items.

You can always open the Launch Stack by right clicking on it and selecting "Open" in the right click context menu that pops up, of course, but I am not sure if this is enough.

At the moment I am using the middle mouse button to open the Launch Stack regardless of it being populated or not, but I'm probably going to ditch this idea since the middle mouse button is also used to always launch items regardless of the "do not launch multiple sessions of the same application" setting.

So, if you middle click a Launch Stack instead of left clicking it, the application should always launch another session of whatever is inside the Launch Stack (rather than simply opening the Stack).

My question therefore is: will users get confused if the only way to open a Launch Stack once populated is by right clicking it and selecting "Open" in the context menu that pops up?

I must admit, at first glance this looks somehow somewhat 'arse upside down'... ;) But then, thinking about it, it makes perfect sense. If someone wanted to launch just one or a few apps, they might just as well use a standard Grid Stack.

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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It's already half-working here.

Launch Stacks are different from Grid Stacks not only in what they do, but also on what they "accept" as shortcuts.

To start with and unlike Grid Stacks, Launch Stacks can only be of type "Regular".

Since their only purpose is to launch shortcuts, they also only accept file system items (e.g. applications, folders, documents, etc), virtual shell items (UWP apps, etc), URLs, internal commands and separators (the latter purely for cosmetic/item separation purposes, of course).

nexter wrote:
If someone wanted to launch just one or a few apps, they might just as well use a standard Grid Stack.


I think right clicking to open is fine since once you set up the "group" of shortcuts that you want to launch together, you will then rarely make changes to that group, if ever.

So, you will be left clicking to launch those items many more times than you will ever right click to open/edit that Launch Stack, IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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winstep wrote:
It's already half-working here.

Launch Stacks are different from Grid Stacks not only in what they do, but also on what they "accept" as shortcuts.

To start with and unlike Grid Stacks, Launch Stacks can only be of type "Regular".

Since their only purpose is to launch shortcuts, they also only accept file system items (e.g. applications, folders, documents, etc), virtual shell items (UWP apps, etc), URLs, internal commands and separators (the latter purely for cosmetic/item separation purposes, of course).

nexter wrote:
If someone wanted to launch just one or a few apps, they might just as well use a standard Grid Stack.


I think right clicking to open is fine since once you set up the "group" of shortcuts that you want to launch together, you will then rarely make changes to that group, if ever.

So, you will be left clicking to launch those items many more times than you will ever right click to open/edit that Launch Stack, IMO.

I agree completely, Jorge. Sadly, I won't really be using any Launch Stacks - don't use enough Win apps any longer of course, and certainly wouldn't really want to launch them at once. Folders I open in my regular file manager, don't want to open anything in that piece of crud File Explorer. However, I'll try and test it anyway of course once the update comes along.

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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winstep wrote:
With the new multi-select option we can no longer use the SHIFT and CTRL modifiers, as this are now used to multi-select items.


Forgot about the ALT shift key lol. So, pressing ALT + Left Click will now open the Launch Stack rather than launching all the items in it.

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winstep wrote:
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With the new multi-select option we can no longer use the SHIFT and CTRL modifiers, as this are now used to multi-select items.


Forgot about the ALT shift key lol. So, pressing ALT + Left Click will now open the Launch Stack rather than launching all the items in it.

Thought that was a given already. :)

Wow, the sheer interest and participation shown here is simply mind boggling! What an apathetic, indifferent lot, Jorge. :(

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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nexter wrote:
Wow, the sheer interest and participation shown here is simply mind boggling! What an apathetic, indifferent lot, Jorge. :(


Yes, it's a bit sad, but this forums were never the type of forums were users "hang around" as a community; rather more the type of forums users only visit when they have a problem or a request.

Also, partially my fault for occasionally staying away for a long time. :P

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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Launch stack sounds interesting. As long as you couldn't accidently open everything. I remember accidently clicking on something by mistake, and it started launching tons load of explorer windows. Traying desperately to close them.

Think most people, if it's a singular software, tend to visit when they have an issue or update. I used workshelf for maybe 2 years, before i knew of the forum. But i keep checking back, even though i currently don't use it.

Forums can be a pain in the bum to maintain. I used to be an admin many years ago on a firmware for disc drives, Back then, attacks and spammers were a pain in the ass.


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PumaUK wrote:
Think most people, if it's a singular software, tend to visit when they have an issue or update. I used workshelf for maybe 2 years, before i knew of the forum.


Hmmm...perhaps the Help button in Preferences should direct the users to the forums...?

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As long as you couldn't accidently open everything. I remember accidently clicking on something by mistake, and it started launching tons load of explorer windows. Traying desperately to close them.


LOL. Well, the idea is to run everything inside the Launch Stack with a single click. So yes, if you accidentally (or not) click on the Launch Stack icon, it will launch everything you previously put in it.

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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You can now also add Launch Stacks to NextSTART menus, hotspots and the Quick Launch section in the NextSTART taskbar.

Like Grid Stacks and Docks (which you can also be activated from within NextSTART) this requires WorkShelf to be currently running (since it's WorkShelf that actually does all the hard work).

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Wow, the sheer interest and participation shown here is simply mind boggling! What an apathetic, indifferent lot, Jorge. :(


Yes, it's a bit sad, but this forums were never the type of forums were users "hang around" as a community; rather more the type of forums users only visit when they have a problem or a request.

Also, partially my fault for occasionally staying away for a long time. :P

Well, in the early days of the forum there still was a bit of the 'hanging around' thing, but in later years, no, 'social media' also no doubt played a part, alas. But, especially given that we're pretty much out of the northern hemisphere summer holiday season, I would have expected at least a few responses. There certainly have been fewer than usual.

Yes, you're right, long absences didn't help and sometimes can and do lead to pretty fractious situations. (People often just have too many/too high expectations and an excess of feeling of entitlement, alas. In some of this the website bears some of the blame also.)

Anyway, at least somebody now commented. :)

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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winstep wrote:
Something else I am probably going to do this release given how troublesome this has become because of rabbid AV software: move the default data folder from C:\Public Documents\Winstep\ to C:\ProgramData\Winstep\

The problem with Program Data is that it is a hidden folder. Ah well.

I did this move many moons ago when migrating from XP to Vista. Back in XP times everyone run as admin and applications stored their data in the same folder as the application itself (e.g. C:\Program Files\Winstep\) so when that was no longer possible the data folder was migrated from C:\Program Files\Winstep\ to C:\Public Documents\Winstep\. Little did I know years later I would have a similar problem because AV software likes to throw the baby out with the bathwater and seems to think only the Documents folder gets encrypted in a ransomware infection. Sigh.

This "move" will not affect existing installations, only new installations, just as it happened back in the day.


Forgot to say this has already been implemented. From next release onwards, the default data folder of new installations is C:\Program Data\Winstep\

Since Program Data is a hidden folder and Windows does not show hidden folders, I think I'll add a button in the About tab of Preferences to directly access this folder (e.g. 'Open Data Folder' or something like that)

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winstep wrote:
PumaUK wrote:
Think most people, if it's a singular software, tend to visit when they have an issue or update. I used workshelf for maybe 2 years, before i knew of the forum.

Hmmm...perhaps the Help button in Preferences should direct the users to the forums...?

I concur, seems like the sensible thing to do.
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As long as you couldn't accidently open everything. I remember accidently clicking on something by mistake, and it started launching tons load of explorer windows. Traying desperately to close them.

LOL. Well, the idea is to run everything inside the Launch Stack with a single click. So yes, if you accidentally (or not) click on the Launch Stack icon, it will launch everything you previously put in it.

:lol: :lol: Now that really is a funny one! Like saying, "Piri Piri sauce seems great, as long as I can't accidentally taste any chilli. ;) :P

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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winstep wrote:
You can now also add Launch Stacks to NextSTART menus, hotspots and the Quick Launch section in the NextSTART taskbar.

Like Grid Stacks and Docks (which you can also be activated from within NextSTART) this requires WorkShelf to be currently running (since it's WorkShelf that actually does all the hard work).

Cool stuff. :)
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winstep wrote:
Something else I am probably going to do this release given how troublesome this has become because of rabbid AV software: move the default data folder from C:\Public Documents\Winstep\ to C:\ProgramData\Winstep\

The problem with Program Data is that it is a hidden folder. Ah well.

I did this move many moons ago when migrating from XP to Vista. Back in XP times everyone run as admin and applications stored their data in the same folder as the application itself (e.g. C:\Program Files\Winstep\) so when that was no longer possible the data folder was migrated from C:\Program Files\Winstep\ to C:\Public Documents\Winstep\. Little did I know years later I would have a similar problem because AV software likes to throw the baby out with the bathwater and seems to think only the Documents folder gets encrypted in a ransomware infection. Sigh.

This "move" will not affect existing installations, only new installations, just as it happened back in the day.


Forgot to say this has already been implemented. From next release onwards, the default data folder of new installations is C:\Program Data\Winstep\

Since Program Data is a hidden folder and Windows does not show hidden folders, I think I'll add a button in the About tab of Preferences to directly access this folder (e.g. 'Open Data Folder' or something like that)

That'll be a real PITA probably for most new users. :( Yep, a direct link like that would be a good idea.

What happens if I move say an existing \Public Documents\Winstep folder and C:\Program Files/Winstep to a new drive and re-install there? I'm asking as have to replace the boot disk in one laptop soon and don't have Acronis any more and in any case have to re-install everything.

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 Post subject: Re: So what's next after v25.7 ?
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What happens if I move say an existing \Public Documents\Winstep folder and C:\Program Files/Winstep to a new drive and re-install there? I'm asking as have to replace the boot disk in one laptop soon and don't have Acronis any more and in any case have to re-install everything.


If the \Public Documents\Winstep folder is already 'in place' in the new drive when you re-install, the installer will use that folder. It will only use C:\ProgramData\Winstep\ on brand new installations.

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winstep wrote:
nexter wrote:
What happens if I move say an existing \Public Documents\Winstep folder and C:\Program Files/Winstep to a new drive and re-install there? I'm asking as have to replace the boot disk in one laptop soon and don't have Acronis any more and in any case have to re-install everything.


If the \Public Documents\Winstep folder is already 'in place' in the new drive when you re-install, the installer will use that folder. It will only use C:\ProgramData\Winstep\ on brand new installations.

Great! :) Thanks a lot, Jorge.

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