Don't you have a problem clicking the left and right mini-tabs on your "Test" theme?

Of course it didn't make sense. Don't know how I missed it just a few topics down! [/me hangs my head in shame and disgust]

First and second (dark and light mode) work best, in each case the topmost example. However, the data presentation needs work and clarification, the quasi-phallic thermometer is surplus to requirements, and none of these scale *down* very well as they are. Tried it.


The whole exercise really goes to show just how dumb LLMs are. I've known that for years - watching 'AI'-generated live subtitles on TV, especially news, amply demonstrated it. It's actually hilarious, observing with what kind of nonsense they come up! And instead of getting better, they've been getting steadily worse.

[ETC. re: Recovery Items immutable single-tabbed shelf.] Well conceived design that Jorge, like it. Doubt that I'll ever need it myself, but then I have such few items left in anything, it's all gone and moved to Linux. (Some sort of "Linstep" would be useful, though with lesss eye candy. Especially in some distros. Would be most welcome by a heck of a lot of ppl. I.m sure.)

Seen this somewhere else in another browser. Hilarious! Artificial Stupidity at its best!

"Don't panic, you're doing great!"

"Heeelp! We're on fire!"

" Calm down, you're fine. Burn baby burn!"

Viewed about 20 mins in total - it's way too long. But if that was a real sim and real LLM, it's also extremely worrying. (As indeed is the whole LLM thing. It needs to be reined in with strong, restrictive, and expansive legislation while there's still time.)

The AI needs to be able to distinguish real emergencies and patch them through to emergency services instead of yanking your chain around.

Anyway, this pretty much demonstrates my struggles with both ChatGPT and CoPilot. Sometimes they make you feel like you're trying to pull teeth out of their little virtual mouths lol

I doubt very much we will be able to make AI much better from now on, law of diminished returns and so on... still, to be honest a lot better than I ever thought possible.

I do - the activation points are just to the right (on the left mini-tab) and to the left (on the right mini-tab).

This was when I was plagiarising some themes to come up with a minimalist desktop real estate theme that still had a 'look & feel' that I liked (colour, fonts, menu pop-outs, etc). As I mentioned at the time there was little information on how the theme values (within the various files) operated, and I had limited time to experiment. This was one of the things that I couldn't get resolved in the time, but it would operate if just a little offset - so I just left it! (I even got the old Theme Builder working to see if it would help, but it didn't).

I assume you mean right-clicking.

Looks good.

I don't have that theme's bitmaps so I cannot be sure, but Try setting LHOffset and RHOffset to 0 (or a much lower negative value than it currently is) in that theme's .wsw configuration file.

You will probably need to apply a different theme and back again for changes to the configuration file to take effect.

I had those values set to -23 and -21 respectively.
Changing them to -50 (and then -150) resulted in the same operation on my Operational shelf, and my 'Main' (Test) shelf once it was enabled.

However I did note that if I changed the theme while both shelves were visible that the 'Main' shelf changed but the Operational one didn't. In the changed 'Main' shelf the activation points worked correctly (even with my original values). The Operational shelf continues to be offset.

For info the Nextstart bar did change to the new theme representation, as well as the 'Main' shelf, but the Operational shelf didn't. However on right clicking on the Operational shelf the drop down menu was for the new theme.

I assume that my installation is not quite right somehow, but it works for what I want so have no plans to change it at the moment.

Sorry about the confusing naming - I hadn't even realised that I'd left it like this (as I mentioned previously, once I got the application sort of working like I wanted it I just moved on to other things).

I've now changed it to more meaningful names. i.e. 'Main' is now called Test!

When I said "much lower negative" I meant towards zero, not the other way around eheh

Interesting interpretation of 'lower negative'
Perhaps we should use 'less negative' and 'more negative'?

Just tried that - same result. The original theme I started with some time ago had the values at -3 and -2, but I have just now set them to 0 each. Even went into +ve numbers: 5 and 5 - no change.

Can you post a screenshot of a shelf with that theme? Remember, I don't have the theme bitmaps, so I'm guessing based on what I saw in the code.

As requested.

I can forward the theme if you wish - but its not major!

I assume that I just have to zip up the theme folder?

Are you sure you applied the changes and that the theme for that Shelf is not locked? From what I saw when debugging the code the problem was the LHOffset and RHOffset being large negative numbers. Mini-tabs normally are 32 pixels wide, with a 16 pixel symbol. The offset allows the symbol's position to be moved left or right, but if you go outside the 32 pixel boundary (by providing a very large negative or positive number) the click area and the symbol no longer match.