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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 2:45 am 
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Something else I have been thinking about: you know the issue with WorkShelf sometimes using more CPU than it normally would for extended periods of time and that I was never able to track down despite extensive analysis, optimizing code, etc?

It only happens under Windows 11.

Something else unique to Windows 11 is its support for the Performance and Efficient cores of Intel CPUs since the 12900K.

Needless to say, Efficient cores are much slower than Performance cores.

What if the REAL reason the Winstep application *appears* to be using more CPU than normal is because Windows sometimes classifies it as a background process and has the Winstep process running on an Efficient core instead of a Performance core?!

Just food for thought.

Now that sounds more than plausible - I'd go so far as to say, probable even. Makes sense when you think about it.

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Phew, that sounds like a heck of a lot of effort - with possibly uncertain results - for relatively little gain Jorge.


Not sure if it's for little gain. Over the years I've had a ton of people complain about the lack of jumplists in the NextSTART tasklist buttons, for instance. I assume most of these complaints referred mostly to the lack of a list of files recently opened by that application.

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Phew, that sounds like a heck of a lot of effort - with possibly uncertain results - for relatively little gain Jorge.

Not sure if it's for little gain. Over the years I've had a ton of people complain about the lack of jumplists in the NextSTART tasklist buttons, for instance. I assume most of these complaints referred mostly to the lack of a list of files recently opened by that application.

I've never really understood people's need of jumplists. Never really use them myself. But then, I've always used a very different 'system', or MO if you like...

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OK - while it probably might affect me more than many others, while redoing skinning on Batteries and changing layouts, it became REALLY evident that a generic "Lock modules" is not useful when checking sizes when I rescale the modules and I would almost bet it's probably not for a lot of themes, not just my own.

To validate this request I only used three(3) official Winstep themes as a test - Brisa, Office and Windows 7 Xtreme. Rather than say what happened it's probably best you try it for yourselves because resolutions are irrelevant when you lock modules and rescale.

I do truly believe the most valuable request I can make is to PLEASE facilitate a "Lock Modules per theme" feature.
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Please do not tell me "Save module positions" works - it doesn't the moment you do a rescale. I am over trying to re-save module positions :(


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OK - while it probably might affect me more than many others, while redoing skinning on Batteries and changing layouts, it became REALLY evident that a generic "Lock modules" is not useful when checking sizes when I rescale the modules and I would almost bet it's probably not for a lot of themes, not just my own.

To validate this request I only used three(3) official Winstep themes as a test - Brisa, Office and Windows 7 Xtreme. Rather than say what happened it's probably best you try it for yourselves because resolutions are irrelevant when you lock modules and rescale.

I do truly believe the most valuable request I can make is to PLEASE facilitate a "Lock Modules per theme" feature.
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Please do not tell me "Save module positions" works - it doesn't the moment you do a rescale. I am over trying to re-save module positions :(

Well, it does work some of the time, but can lapse back any time, alas. So, yeah, seconded as per previous. Though not necessarily for this next update. (I'm wondering if I shouldn't move this to 'Winstep Feature Requests'...?

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 Post subject: Re: So, what's next after v25.9 ?
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now working on adding 'recent files' jumplists to running applications (i.e. a list of files recently opened by that particular application)

Nearly done. This is not as simple as it sounds, or as I thought it would be.


Ahah, understatement of the year. :lol:

I have been writing this post for the past few days (no joke) and each day I had to extensively re-write it because of new break-thoughts.

Anyway, it appears I have finally succeeded. I am now able to know in nearly all the cases which jumplist is associated to which application (thanks to Hexacorn's JumpLists file names and AppID calculator perl script which I was able to convert to VB with the help of CoPilot and ChatGPT) and also to extract using heuristics - from the undocumented and ever changing Desclist stream - the actual date and time in which each recent file was added to the jumplist.

If for some reason this fails, I fall back to the files in the Recent Documents folder method.

Still not 100% finished as I still have loose ends to tie, but this took many days and a lot of hair pulling to accomplish and optimize. :D


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Ok, so for privacy reasons I added a "Show Recent Files in context menu" setting to the Tasks tab of Preferences, but then it occurred to me...

... shouldn't this "Recent Files" context menu option be also available for applications in the dock, shelf, etc, that are NOT currently running?

And if so, where should the setting be placed in Preferences? I think location is important, some users might wish to turn this immediately off due to privacy concerns.

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shouldn't this "Recent Files" context menu option be also available for applications in the dock, shelf, etc, that are NOT currently running?


Yep, that's what I ended up doing too. Also works with UWP apps.

As for the on/off setting itself... well, I guess it stays were I put it, at least for the time being.

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winstep wrote:
Ok, so for privacy reasons I added a "Show Recent Files in context menu" setting to the Tasks tab of Preferences, but then it occurred to me...

... shouldn't this "Recent Files" context menu option be also available for applications in the dock, shelf, etc, that are NOT currently running?

And if so, where should the setting be placed in Preferences? I think location is important, some users might wish to turn this immediately off due to privacy concerns.

Ouch, yes, that does raise serious privacy concerns. I hope the default for all will be "off".

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shouldn't this "Recent Files" context menu option be also available for applications in the dock, shelf, etc, that are NOT currently running?


Yep, that's what I ended up doing too. Also works with UWP apps.

As for the on/off setting itself... well, I guess it stays were I put it, at least for the time being.

UWP apps makes it all the more iffy. Definitely, default for all needs to be "off". Anything else could be in contravention of the European privacy laws.

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UWP apps makes it all the more iffy. Definitely, default for all needs to be "off". Anything else could be in contravention of the European privacy laws.


Windows Jumplists are enabled by default. This is no different, so it is enabled by default too.

It's like Recent Files being displayed on the Windows Start Menu by default too (iykes! lol)

And don't forget the default shelf has a Recent Items tab too eheh

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UWP apps makes it all the more iffy. Definitely, default for all needs to be "off". Anything else could be in contravention of the European privacy laws.

Windows Jumplists are enabled by default. This is no different, so it is enabled by default too.

That is unfortunate as, as per usual, hardly anybody is going to look through preferences and disable this. Jumplists in Windows have been globally disabled here for a very long time, plugging yet another of Windows' many privacy leaking holes.
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It's like Recent Files being displayed on the Windows Start Menu by default too (iykes! lol)

"Free user data, easy to get, come and get them!" :lol: Pathetic to have that in place. :(
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And don't forget the default shelf has a Recent Items tab too eheh

Hasn't existed here since original install of Xtreme. :D

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That is unfortunate as, as per usual, hardly anybody is going to look through preferences and disable this.


The problem here is the opposite: if jumplists were disabled by default in the Winstep application hardly anybody would even know they are there and can be turned on.

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"Free user data, easy to get, come and get them!" :lol: Pathetic to have that in place. :(


Yeah, I think having Recent Documents plastered all over the hub that is the Windows Start Menu is pretty stupid and aggravating. And worse, AFAIK, if you turn that off you actually disable the whole recent documents feature everywhere else in Windows (which is actually a pretty useful thing to have - most of the time)

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Hasn't existed here since original install of Xtreme. :D


Yeah, but not only you can simply remove the Recent Items tab from the shelf (as you did), as the very first item in that tab is the 'Clear Recent Documents' internal command.

Also, I noticed Windows offers the ability to remove specific items from the jumplist by right clicking on them, and I think this is important too, so I'll try to add the same ability.

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Also, I noticed Windows offers the ability to remove specific items from the jumplist by right clicking on them, and I think this is important too, so I'll try to add the same ability.


And just added this too, right click a file in the recent files/jumplist menu and the very first option is "remove from this list", which will remove the item from the actual Windows jumplist file (and from the menu too, of course).

One advantage over Windows jumplists is that unlike Windows, which only offers a couple of options if you right click a jumplist item, my right click menu on a jumplist item is equivalent to right clicking the actual document file itself (i.e. with all the options you get when you do that).

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