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 Post subject: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:23 am 
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I decided to give winstep another chance (thanks chucky) and just installed the dock this time and i'm happy to report i'm extremely pleased with its current functionality. I'm really on the verge of buying the software but i'd really like to make sure it will function the way i need it to beforehand.

The current dock setting i have set up is just to display running applications and nothing else. I have set to the bottom of my screen and Always on Top of other applications.

The problem i'm experiencing is that when i play fullscreen borderless windowed games like league of legends, the dock forces itself on top and it gets in the way of my gameplaying. The windows taskbar functions in a way that i want it to: always on top when i'm doing regular surfing, browsing, but hides itself when my windowed fullscreen games are running.

Now i'm aware of the autohide feature, but i don't like how it hides itself when i'm browsing the web on google chrome fullscreen. I'd like the running apps dock to still present itself so i'm just only one click away (without waiting for mouseover) to manage my other tasks.

Is there anyway to force my running applications dock on top of basic fullscreen applications like google chrome, and viewing youtube videos fullscreen with the dock behavior set to "Always on Top" while being able at the same time play windowed fullscreen borderless video games without it overlaying my GUI? Is there any way i can set nexus dock to treat my fullscreen windowed games like an actual full screen application so it hides itself?

Currently i have my game application set to fullscreen (no window) since i can't figure out any other solution. The reason for my request is so i can stream my games and my desktop without the dock getting in the way. (seeing a dock at the bottom of my game while playing something fullscreen via screen capture isn't very appealing).

EDIT: Also one other small problem. When closing out of a program that's minimized to the system tray, the Expanded box appears at the top left of the screen when i have it set for example at my bottom right corner. Initial expanding is fine. Upon closing, the initial expansion hides, and it reappears at the top left.


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:06 pm 
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sh0gunshin wrote:
Now i'm aware of the autohide feature, but i don't like how it hides itself when i'm browsing the web on google chrome fullscreen. I'd like the running apps dock to still present itself so i'm just only one click away (without waiting for mouseover) to manage my other tasks.

Is there anyway to force my running applications dock on top of basic fullscreen applications like google chrome, and viewing youtube videos fullscreen with the dock behavior set to "Always on Top" while being able at the same time play windowed fullscreen borderless video games without it overlaying my GUI? Is there any way i can set nexus dock to treat my fullscreen windowed games like an actual full screen application so it hides itself?


What Winstep product are you using? Right-click on the Nexus icon --> Dock Properties --> Behavior tab.

Under the Activation section, check the box, Activation acts as a toggle (shows if hidden, hides if visible).

Click Advanced. Then check the first two Popup dock boxes. Ok--> Apply, Ok.

To view your dock in Fullscreen use WIN+D if you have Winstep Xtreme. I don't know if this will work with other Winstep programs. You will have to toggle back and forth using WIN+D to get out of the mode or to hide the dock by left-clicking on the page in Chrome.


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EDIT: Also one other small problem. When closing out of a program that's minimized to the system tray, the Expanded box appears at the top left of the screen when i have it set for example at my bottom right corner. Initial expanding is fine. Upon closing, the initial expansion hides, and it reappears at the top left.


This sounds like a Hotspots issue. If you have NextSTART open it up and click on the Hotspots tab.

Uncheck 00 and 01 Apply, Ok and see if the issue you're having with something appearing in the upper left corner goes away. You may have to close and restart the Winstep program.


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:47 pm 
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It didn't fix my problem. the bottom dock (running apps) still shows during fullscreen playback on youtube. I don't mind it overlaying google chrome when im browsing full screen, but when it gets in the way of picture viewing during youtube its a little distracting.

to your second solution, i don't have nextstart. i'm using the nexus dock 12.2 program

i appreciate your posting.

edit: also the windows taskbar flashes whenever windows update detects new updates


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:28 am 
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I'm totally confused as to why watching a full-screen YouTube video would do that.

If you haven't already, DL and install the trial version of Winstep Xtreme. It's good for a month and then see if you have the same problems.

It's very robust in it's features and then you'll be able to find out if it's something with the program, your settings, or your computer.

It would be a lot easier for me to help since that's what I have installed.


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:08 am 
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here are my settings

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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:54 am 
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Something isn't right. I changed my settings to match yours and couldn't get it to produce your problem.

This is the first time I've heard of that happening on a YouTube video. On occasion a 1080p video on my computer will make the Windows taskbar show over the video and won't go away, but never the dock.

Once I exit the application and restart it, it works properly 99% of the time. I think it has something to do with where the edges of the video player opens up. I don't ever remember it happening with a 720p or lower res video.

I think it's because a 720p and lower res video takes up a smaller part of my monitor when the player is opened and a 1080p video may also interfere with Aero in Win7.

When I open a 1080p video it will take up almost the whole space on my monitor leaving only about an 1/8 of a inch of space around the edges unlike a 720p video that will take up about 65% of my monitor. I have a 22" widescreen monitor. Of course there is also the possibility of a bug in Winstep.

I'm at a loss on how to fix your problem. Jorge will have to take over.


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:53 pm 
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alright well here's a screenshot of the problem

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if i check auto hide for maximized applications right under "always above other windows" it goes away but like i said it also autohides when i browse chrome which i don't want

my native resolution is also 900p if that might be a cause of problem and i don't have it completely docked to the bottom edge of my screen.

i've also closed and restarted the application as well as a quick restart

i have my windows taskbar hidden by nexus as well as my desktop icons


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:44 am 
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sh0gunshin wrote:
i've also closed and restarted the application as well as a quick restart


Windy wrote:
On occasion a 1080p video on my computer will make the Windows taskbar show over the video and won't go away, but never the dock.

Once I exit the application and restart it, it works properly 99% of the time.


Just so you know because it isn't clear the way I wrote it, I was referring to the video player, not Winstep Xtreme.

sh0gunshin wrote:
i don't have it completely docked to the bottom edge of my screen.



This could be the reason you're having a problem. There are issues with screen space and full screen that I'm not knowledgeable enough to get into. Jorge will be able to explain it.

What happens if you have it docked to the bottom of the screen? Also, what happens if you add a folder to the dock by dragging a folder to it?

I'm curious to see if having only running apps on your dock is a contributing factor. If nothing changes, try not using running apps at all on the dock, only folders, and see what happens. The process of elimination is a good way to pin-point a problem.

P.S. My native resolution is 1920 x 1080.


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:17 am 
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Windy wrote:
What happens if you have it docked to the bottom of the screen? Also, what happens if you add a folder to the dock by dragging a folder to it?


it won't let me drag any folders onto the dock. the "do not" red icon pops up next to my cursor if i try to. if i actually drop it onto the dock, nothing happens.

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I'm curious to see if having only running apps on your dock is a contributing factor. If nothing changes, try not using running apps at all on the dock, only folders, and see what happens. The process of elimination is a good way to pin-point a problem.


I removed running applications and docked it to the bottom edge of my screen. The problem still persists. I believe it's supposed to function that way? Since youtube is just a fullscreen window inside google chrome, it stays true to its objective of staying above all other windows. Same effect with a full screen google chrome. In my perspective, i believe there's probably some coding missing from nexus dock to behave similarly to windows 7's native taskbar running applications

Here's the advanced behavior settings

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Are there any functions i may be missing from here?

And finally, another image showing how it's affecting my gaming. Game is league of legends on Borderless.

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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:10 am 
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Tried those setting which is the same as mine except that I have ...mouse pointer bumps screen edge unchecked.

I'm still baffled at what setting can cause this. It's starting to look more and more like it could be only two possibilities.

1. It could be a program installed on your computer that is interfering with that function. Do you have some other graphics-related program or some other program similar to Winstep installed on your computer?

2. There's a bug in that particular Winstep program.


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:35 pm 
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the only program i can think of is probably rainmeter. i don't keep any applications/processes running that aren't vital to performing basic/gaming tasks.

its not rainmeter, bc i've closed the program and the problem still persists.


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:07 pm 
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Well I've definitely run out of options. The only two options left is what I suggested earlier. If you haven't already tried Winstep Xtreme, install it and see if you still have the same problem. It has a trial version for a month and you're not obligated to buy it.

The other is to wait until Jorge responds. Of course it's also possible that someone else might figure out what the problem is.


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:19 pm 
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as for you not being able to drag items onto your dock, rightclick the dock and mack sure you don't have it locked there. or you can simply rightclick and insert new dock item.

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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:32 pm 
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Well I've definitely run out of options. The only two options left is what I suggested earlier. If you haven't already tried Winstep Xtreme, install it and see if you still have the same problem. It has a trial version for a month and you're not obligated to buy it.

The other is to wait until Jorge responds. Of course it's also possible that someone else might figure out what the problem is.


Thanks for trying to help Windy. The winstep community is a pretty great crowd. I really hope Jorge can help me fix this problem, so i can become part of a permanent nexus community lol

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as for you not being able to drag items onto your dock, rightclick the dock and mack sure you don't have it locked there. or you can simply rightclick and insert new dock item.


Yeah i have my dock locked at the moment, but that's usually the method i use to add icons if necessary. Thanks for the tip


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 Post subject: Re: [Detailed] Running Apps Layering Issue
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:03 am 
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I just discovered something. Whenever i allow a youtube video to go fullscreen and wait til the control panel fades away and then press escape, the running apps taskbar disappears until i mouseover.


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