Hello,

i have a couple of bugs to report

I am using Winstep Extreme, but only using nextsart and nexsus.

First bug:
When i open the mouse options from a nextstart menu with a "Virtual Folder Menu" ("Control Panel") it, for some weird reason, removes the settings for my synaptics pointing device (usually last tab of mouse config). If i open the mouse config window via control panel in explorer.exe, the synaptics options are just fine. I am not sure if it is a winstep issue, or synaptics, because i had to reinstall the drivers (and updated to newer) when the first time happened. The bug is still there but the drivers havent gone mad atm.

Second bug:
I found that if you try changing the "item type" of a sub-dock, and select it to be something else than a dock-place-holder (and back to a dock-place-holder), it is shown as a separator and not as the designated icon. I actually like this bug since it gives me the chance to hide the SysTray in this sub dock (screenie shwon in red). Which leads me to the next and last bug...

Third bug:
The "System Tray Expand Button" icon seems to be untouchable , it rather chooses one icon of its own liking, and i can NOT change it to any other (changes dont stick). Screenie in green.

And lastly, the question.
What does the option "Allow attaching sub-docks to existing applications shortuts" actually do? It is under the ...>Dock Properties>Behavior tab>Subdocks and has a little world icon on it.
I can not convert any of my current icons into a sub-dock without losing the application shortcut (or adding a subdock with new icon just next to the application).
Is it just a place holder for a future feature? Or did I miss something?

Anyways, sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance.

It's not really a bug, but a 32 bit -> 64 bit system limitation.

This is because you are running a 64 bit version of Windows, Winstep applications are 32 bit, and the Synaptics Control Panel extension is also 64 bit. Microsoft uses a file and registry re-direction scheme which sometimes causes more problems than it solves.



Ah, I see what you mean, not a biggie.

This is because internally separators and sub-dock place-holders are actually one and the same thing. You can still select an icon of your choice and type it into the Icon Path text box (e.g.; C:\Program Files (x86)\Winstep\WorkShelf.exe, 70)



Ah! Gotcha, it is a bug!

That's because you are customizing the system tray expand button in a sub-dock. I've fixed it for next release, to work around this bug in v12.2 temporarily make the system tray appear on the main dock, customize the expand button there, remove the system tray from the main dock, then the new system tray icon will also appear in the system tray sub-dock.



That setting allows you to make dock items act BOTH as an application shortcut *and* as a sub-dock place holder. If you click on the icon itself, it launches whatever application is associated to that dock item, if you click on the little sub-dock indicator *arrow*, it opens the associated sub-dock instead.

This was the initial and default method used to create and open sub-docks when Nexus was first released, because, back then, there was no magnification effect yet. Docks were 'static' and so clicking on the little sub-dock indicator arrow was easy because it always remained on the same place.

With the Magnification effect, this was no longer true. Clicking the little arrow became very difficult because you were basically trying to click on a small moving target as the dock magnified dynamically. If you failed to hit it, instead of opening the sub-dock you would launch the application.

So, to prevent this, from then on sub-docks could only be associated to dock place-holders (since docks place-holders are essentially separators and thus have no application associated to it, clicking the whole icon opens the sub-dock).

However, for backwards compatibility, the ability to associate sub-docks to normal dock items was preserved with that setting - but it is only practical to use that ability if you are using a non-magnifying dock effect (or if you're a masochist ).

Ha, thanks for the reply!

Knowing what is bugged and what is not makes it much easier to deal with ^^.

It is still not clear to me how to configure an icon to open an application and a subdock. The option is checked and I dont use the magnifying option on the dock (or any animation on hover). But the theme i use has a transparent arrow for subdocks (aka no arrow at all). So what are my options here? Click and Hold? Hover mouse only?

Is not a deal braker, as i dont use it now. But i like to have the option :p
Was thinking of having a Multimedia app icon, and on sub dock the media functions (Prev, Play/Pause, Next) so it would work like a docklet with any multimedia app .

Yes, I am also interested in this option.
Would be nice, to put all kinds of information (help files, url to help on internet, etc) you sometimes need in the subdock.

How to accomplish this?
I tried a bit, but couldn't get it to work, does it work on Windows 7 64-bit?
Just a thought (concerning the difficulty to click on the arrow), would adding an item 'open sub-dock' to the right click menu solve this (would still be compatible with older windows versions)?

At the very least you would need to make the sub-dock indicator arrows visible again. How are you going to click on a small 16x16 pixel area you can't see otherwise?

Furthermore, with that setting on, to make a sub-dock out of an existing application icon on the dock for the first time, you have to use drag & drop: you must drag the new item over the lower or upper 1/3 of the dock tile (assuming an horizontal dock). Do this correctly and you will see a small arrow bouncing outside the dock: this means the item you are dragging will become part of a sub-dock when you drop it.



See above.



Nah, that would just make it awkward to use.

Thanks for the explanation, I got it to work.

I can see it's not that easy to use.

There is no way to tell if entry is a normal one (left click on entry opens a sub-dock) or the special one (left click starts an application). But the use of a different (color) arrow could solve that.

Concerning adding the option 'Open sub-dock' to the right click menu, I am not sure if this is that awkward if you want to put hardly used entries on the sub-dock (help files, etc.). Looking at the right click menu, I also find the option 'Open', which for a normal entry does exactly the same as left clicking the icon. Is there a purpose for this, I don't know about? Maybe replacing 'Open' by 'Open sub-dock' is making a bit more sense?

Anyway, it was just a thought.

Thanks for explaining what the option 'Allow attaching sub-docks to existing applications' is about, because I was also puzzled by it.