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 Post subject: Demande de renseignement concernant la taille du quai
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:44 am 
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Bonjour, :D

J'ai essayé d'obtenir une réponse par messagerie à :support@winstep.net, mais ça n'a pas marché, voici donc ma question :

J'ai installé votre version gratuite, seulement le quai n'est pas assez grand et les icônes deviennent trop petits au fur et à mesure des ajouts, je voudrais savoir s'il est possible de l'agrandir?. Et si je passe à la version Ultime est ce que je pourrais agrandir le quai principal ou refaire un autre quai, personnellement, je préfèrerais pouvoir agrandir le quai principal (celui du modèle de la version gratuite).
Dans le cas d'un remplacement d'ordinateur, est ce que la licence est toujours valable ?.Merci. Cordialement. :wink:

Nota : J'ai pu voir que certaines personnes avaient des problèmes pour obtenir leur clé après achat, qu'en est il s'il vous plaît, merci.

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 Post subject: Re: Demande de renseignement concernant la taille du quai
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:58 pm 
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'morning to you too.
After the necessary welcomes, please write in English. We're all from different countries here; if we all posted in our native languages, there would be no forum.
Why force others to google-translate your posts?

Now, from what I managed to understand from the google-translate... the dock size scales along with the icon size, and the icon size can go as high as 256 pixels, which is rather... huge. I've got mine at 129px and still think it's big; in reality, I'd prefer something like 80-90 pixels.
Just right-click the dock and go into the "Dock properties", then "Appearance" and there's a slider in there for exactly that "icon size".

About the licence, yes, it's still valid if you change your computer, and even if you have a laptop and a desktop.
And I don't think you'll have any problem getting your licence. What you read in the forum is always the worst-case scenarios. That's the rule for sales; for every disgruntled customer that you see, there are 20 satisfied customers that you never hear from.

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 Post subject: Re: Demande de renseignement concernant la taille du quai
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:12 pm 
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skagon wrote:
'morning to you too.
After the necessary welcomes, please write in English. We're all from different countries here; if we all posted in our native languages, there would be no forum.
Why force others to google-translate your posts?

Now, from what I managed to understand from the google-translate... the dock size scales along with the icon size, and the icon size can go as high as 256 pixels, which is rather... huge. I've got mine at 129px and still think it's big; in reality, I'd prefer something like 80-90 pixels.
Just right-click the dock and go into the "Dock properties", then "Appearance" and there's a slider in there for exactly that "icon size".

About the licence, yes, it's still valid if you change your computer, and even if you have a laptop and a desktop.
And I don't think you'll have any problem getting your licence. What you read in the forum is always the worst-case scenarios. That's the rule for sales; for every disgruntled customer that you see, there are 20 satisfied customers that you never hear from.

Au revoir.



Hello,
I can understand that it must be tedious for you to translate the messages, I would have been quite willing to do it, it would not bother me at all, but if you know it was do , because it is the first time I come on the forum, in the future I would, I still want to let you know that since I 'm on the forums, and it's been c is the first time you told me that, even better, there is little time to support Macrium Reflect " , I myself proposed to translate, I was told not to do so, because the person was that it would have been easier for me, so , you see how people can be different ! , but it does not matter , the key is to agree to your case , if you answer in English, not translated into French , I would, if it is a language other than English , then name the language or translate, I think it will be much like that for everyone.

Regarding my first question, it is not the expected response , here's what it is : I realized that I put a dock you attached , the size chosen for me , but I would like to many more elements , such as the length of my screen is taken, if I add , the other narrowed size , I wonder if I can extend the platform to place other elements ( icons) or make a second dock. What can you tell me , thank you .

Note: I made the translation, but after clicking submit my income text is in French, I do not understand!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Demande de renseignement concernant la taille du quai
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:02 pm 
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Ok, since we're translating here, I will try to make short and simple sentences. Your last post was... rather hard to understand. :)
It's not just for me, English is good for other people that may have the same questions. Other users may not want to translate. It will also not show in Google search.
If you can write English, please do so.

About your question: you have put too many icons! I think you are just trying to put everything on the dock. Many new users do that. The dock is not a replacement for the Start menu, or rather, it shouldn't be. Don't try to put ALL your shortcuts in one dock.
However, you can try Winstep Xtreme (instead of Nexus), which has the "Shelf". That is like a dock, only it can have tabs. You can organise your shortcuts in different tabs, there. Also, shelf tabs can have many 'lines' of icons. It also supports multiple docks, in addition to the "Shelf". You can have as many docks as you want.
Alternatively, you could have one dock and sub-docks. Or a combination of both.
It is up to you to decide. Just, don't try to make one HUGE dock with everything in it. It does not work, you end up wasting time trying to find shortcuts.

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 Post subject: Re: Demande de renseignement concernant la taille du quai
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:32 am 
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skagon wrote:
Ok, since we're translating here, I will try to make short and simple sentences. Your last post was... rather hard to understand. :)
It's not just for me, English is good for other people that may have the same questions. Other users may not want to translate. It will also not show in Google search.
If you can write English, please do so.

About your question: you have put too many icons! I think you are just trying to put everything on the dock. Many new users do that. The dock is not a replacement for the Start menu, or rather, it shouldn't be. Don't try to put ALL your shortcuts in one dock.
However, you can try Winstep Xtreme (instead of Nexus), which has the "Shelf". That is like a dock, only it can have tabs. You can organise your shortcuts in different tabs, there. Also, shelf tabs can have many 'lines' of icons. It also supports multiple docks, in addition to the "Shelf". You can have as many docks as you want.
Alternatively, you could have one dock and sub-docks. Or a combination of both.
It is up to you to decide. Just, don't try to make one HUGE dock with everything in it. It does not work, you end up wasting time trying to find shortcuts.


Hello SKAGON, :wink:

Thank you for your quick response , you understand , in fact I wish to replace the taskbar with a dock or more platforms, because I have many controls in my taskbar (icons) , the problem is ( I think) that the Windows taskbar consumes more memory than Winstep Nexus or ( I understand there is a difference between them, is that right?) , it encroaches more and reduces the height of the screen ( attachment ), and even before there was anything that I put in the dock you attached) .

Okay, I'll take a paid version , but that Winstep Xtreme which although seemingly great, is perhaps a little too complex for me, I had thought of Winstep Ultimate , is that with the latter , I could also create multiple platforms or tabs to place all my docks order not possibly have more than one line in the Windows taskbar ? . Thank you for your reply. The Cervier . :)

Note: Your forum is well made, very practical, especially for adding attachments, folders etc. ...... Congratulations!!


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 Post subject: Re: Demande de renseignement concernant la taille du quai
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:46 pm 
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Yes, I understood that you're the kind of user that wants EVERYTHING in front.
I hope you realise that it doesn't work. You have to learn to organise, put things in groups.
I do believe that Winstep can help you. But NOT if you are still trying to put EVERYTHING in front. There is no programme that can do that.
I don't have time now, but later I will try to make a short video and show you my desktop. Maybe it will help you, if you see other ways to organise.
With Winstep, you can have a dock with tabs, set to "auto-hide". You can have one tab for your 'folder' shortcuts, another for your 'programmes' shortcuts, etc.
HOWEVER, you have to prioritise. In your screenshot, you have 100 icons!!! There is no way that you use ALL of them frequently. So, you have to put the most frequent, the most common items in front. A second group of frequently used items can go in a dock (or the default tab of the shelf). Then, a third group of icons that you use often (but not too frequently) can go in a second dock (or a second tab in the shelf). And finally, leave the rest in the "start" menu. If you have items that you rarely use, these don't have to be always visible, do they?

For example, I noticed you have a "Winzip" icon in the taskbar. Why? How often do you run Winzip from that icon? I mean... it runs automatically. If you double-click on a ZIP file, Winzip will open it. If you want to create a new ZIP file, all you need to do is to select the files you want, then right-click, then select "Add to ZIP file" (or something). You don't need Winzip taking up space permanently in your taskbar!
And I'm sure it's the same with most of your icons. Like those 8 icons of the same USB WiFi (?) thing you have? Why are they there? What purpose do they serve? Do you have 8 different USB WiFi (or 3G) sticks?

Anyway, I suppose you get the idea. The taskbar is NOT the "All programs" substitute. And not Winstep nor any other programme can help you, if you want *everything* on the desktop.

I'll return with more pics or a video later. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Demande de renseignement concernant la taille du quai
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:22 pm 
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I looked again in that screenshot of yours, and noticed even more redundant icons.
Examples:
VLC player icon, but also Windows Media Player icon !
Windows Defender icon !!!!! Why??? That thing runs automatically!!!
Task Scheduler !!???!
Event Viewer ??!?!
Registry Editor
Image Preview ??!?! ...and also, FastStone Image Viewer !!!
Adobe Acrobat something
Macrium Reflect -- ok, do you use that every day?
Internet Explorer, Firefox and Chrome (do you use them all???)
Calculator, Notepad...
...
...

I mean, seriously... I am *sure* you don't use a lot of these at all, and others don't NEED to be there, because they're programmes that run when you double-click their files (like VLC or Acrobat Reader).
And then there's around 20 folder shortcuts.
Seriously, my friend... I don't know you or how you use your computer, but I do know that you don't need all that on your taskbar!!!
The taskbar is there to show you which programmes are running. Not to show you the contents of your hard drive.

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 Post subject: Re: Demande de renseignement concernant la taille du quai
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:17 am 
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:lol: Skagon, you have a way with words! I agree wholeheartedly. I see the icon issue quite often when fixing family and friends computers. On several occasions, literally every available space was taken on the desktop with icons.

Le Cerveir, I think Winstep Xtreme is the best choice. Check out these links. I hope it helps make you understand why you in particular need it. There are more capabilities than shown. I or others here can help you out with any problems you might have.

This is the first two videos combined with music. As long as you're not in Germany you will be able to view the video. Some sort of music licensing issue. BTW, sorry for the abrupt ending of the music. Didn't have time to go through the hassle of fading it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHWzlo0oFbA

The following is the original video which is also posted on the Themes page of Winstep. No music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laNfsIeJebY



This is the continuation that was posted much later than the first one. No music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8UPacCWq0



I made this exhaustive list of settings for Winstep Xtreme that might help navigate you through it. It is from the settings of my configuration. You can use it as a template to customize the configurations to your liking. It starts on the date Fri May 31, 2013.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:19 am 
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@Windy:
Oh, man... as far as desktop icons go, I've seen worse. A **lot** worse actually.
Like this lady who let anyone using her computer (friends, nephews, brother) install whatever they wanted. So, she had ended up having 4 or 5 different CD-burning programmes, all of which had those resident auto-run crapware... well... auto-running on startup, and obviously, fighting with each other over control of the drive. And also, 4 or 5 different browsers. Naturally.
Another one who thought that the desktop was his "memory... disk... storage area in general" and had filled it up with files of all sorts.
Someone else had gone crazy installing game demos...
A friend of mine who liked the idea of dockable toolbars (from WinXP) so much that went on and added a couple on each side of the monitor...
I mean... after a while, you think you've seen it all, but human ingenuity always manages to come up with something new to leave you speechless...

@LeCervier:
Sorry mate, haven't made the video yet, but check out Windy's. Mine is a lot 'cleaner' but I think you can see the potential more easily.

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skagon wrote:
Yes, I understood that you're the kind of user that wants EVERYTHING in front.
I hope you realise that it doesn't work. You have to learn to organise, put things in groups.
I do believe that Winstep can help you. But NOT if you are still trying to put EVERYTHING in front. There is no programme that can do that.
I don't have time now, but later I will try to make a short video and show you my desktop. Maybe it will help you, if you see other ways to organise.
With Winstep, you can have a dock with tabs, set to "auto-hide". You can have one tab for your 'folder' shortcuts, another for your 'programmes' shortcuts, etc.
HOWEVER, you have to prioritise. In your screenshot, you have 100 icons!!! There is no way that you use ALL of them frequently. So, you have to put the most frequent, the most common items in front. A second group of frequently used items can go in a dock (or the default tab of the shelf). Then, a third group of icons that you use often (but not too frequently) can go in a second dock (or a second tab in the shelf). And finally, leave the rest in the "start" menu. If you have items that you rarely use, these don't have to be always visible, do they?

For example, I noticed you have a "Winzip" icon in the taskbar. Why? How often do you run Winzip from that icon? I mean... it runs automatically. If you double-click on a ZIP file, Winzip will open it. If you want to create a new ZIP file, all you need to do is to select the files you want, then right-click, then select "Add to ZIP file" (or something). You don't need Winzip taking up space permanently in your taskbar!
And I'm sure it's the same with most of your icons. Like those 8 icons of the same USB WiFi (?) thing you have? Why are they there? What purpose do they serve? Do you have 8 different USB WiFi (or 3G) sticks?

Anyway, I suppose you get the idea. The taskbar is NOT the "All programs" substitute. And not Winstep nor any other programme can help you, if you want *everything* on the desktop.

I'll return with more pics or a video later. ;)


Thank you for your reply

That's not really what I do not want to have any permanently with Free Nexus, I hit the top of my screen with my mouse arrow and the dock appears, that's enough, for cons, I must purge some icons, because you're right, some are used rarely, against, I asked if you could Winstep Ultimate suffice rather than Winstep XTrem which as I said is apparently very complete but can be a bit much for what I wait. Is Winstep Ultimate can afford to have multiple docks, tabs, retractable as with the Free version that is at the top, bottom, left and right, this would allow me, as you advise storing, group my elements. I enjoyed the video Windy, would it be possible to have one of Winstep Ultimate, thank you.
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Windy wrote:
:lol: Skagon, you have a way with words! I agree wholeheartedly. I see the icon issue quite often when fixing family and friends computers. On several occasions, literally every available space was taken on the desktop with icons.

Le Cerveir, I think Winstep Xtreme is the best choice. Check out these links. I hope it helps make you understand why you in particular need it. There are more capabilities than shown. I or others here can help you out with any problems you might have.

This is the first two videos combined with music. As long as you're not in Germany you will be able to view the video. Some sort of music licensing issue. BTW, sorry for the abrupt ending of the music. Didn't have time to go through the hassle of fading it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHWzlo0oFbA

The following is the original video which is also posted on the Themes page of Winstep. No music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laNfsIeJebY



This is the continuation that was posted much later than the first one. No music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8UPacCWq0



I made this exhaustive list of settings for Winstep Xtreme that might help navigate you through it. It is from the settings of my configuration. You can use it as a template to customize the configurations to your liking. It starts on the date Fri May 31, 2013.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4530&start=15



Hello Windy, :wink:
Great thank you for your advice and videos in response to SKAGON, I say what I want, it's not having "all before" permanently displayed, but can be placed (after purging unnecessary) my icons arranged, grouped in multiple docks or retractable tabs like Nexus Free, I do appear "bumping" my cursor over the edge, it is so much easier rather than going refouiller to open something!, I would like to know if I can have it with Winstep Ultimate is apparently easier, would you have a video about this version?, it would be really nice!
Thank you to you. the Cervier

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:29 pm 
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Ok, mates... video is ready.
I've also made a subtitle commentary, so feel free to download both and watch.
Links: Video file here and Subtitles here.
For subtitles, right-click and "save file" at the same location as the video.

So, now to questions...
I'm afraid the free version of Nexus will only allow you to make one dock, and if I remember correctly, you can't have subdocks.
It is up to you to decide if you want more. If you can do with one dock and the shelf, then go ahead.
However, if you can't, the Winstep Xtreme "Basic" (which is just fine) only costs €20. I think that's not expensive at all.

However, having said all that, look at my desktop and see how "empty" it is. No icons, no shortcuts everywhere. Clean.
You have to try and make yours like that. Not because I say it. Believe me, you will be quicker, you will be more productive and, most importantly, you will have a lot of screen space, for your programmes!
Do yourself a favour. Clean up your desktop!

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Le Cervier wrote:
I would like to know if I can have it with Winstep Ultimate is apparently easier, would you have a video about this version?, it would be really nice!


Unfortunately I don't. I only have the Winstep Xtreme video. I have never used Ultimate.

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Note: I translate in English, is that okay ? :)



There were a few things that were a little difficult to follow but I think I understand enough of what you are saying.

BTW, when I bump the top of the screen on my video I am using the mouse wheel to cycle through what you see. They are desktop icons. Imagine what the desktop would look like if I didn't have them there. Also at the very top of the screen in the middle you will see another section that has Desktop, Main, Recent, Control Panel, Quick Launch, Themes, Tabs. These are very valuable ways to quickly access things on the computer that normally take several clicks to access. I did not click on any of them during the video.

For example, if Control Panel is clicked on after bumping, you have immediate access to Action Center, Connect To, Date and Time, Default Programs, Device Manager, Devices and Printers, Display, Keyboard (allows adjustment to keyboard), Mouse, Network, Power Options, Speech Recognition, Taskbar & Start Menu, User Accounts, Windows Updates and many others that I didn't list. That alone is a worth its weight in gold. Don't know if that last sentence translates well in French. :lol: It means it's worth a lot.

There are many more features in Winstep Xtreme that makes it an awesome program. Once you get past being intimidated by all of the features you will wonder how you got along without it.


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SKAGON, windy, hello and good Sunday :wink:

Again thank you for YOUR support, I think I'll choose ultimate Winstep BUT if I wanted to go to after Winstep Xtreme EST Should I paying the Entire Xtreme price ou June upgrade?, I am retired With small car retired in June!. Thank you to you!. The Cervier.

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Hello to you too, my friend!
I think Nexus Ultimate should be enough for starters. Tell you the truth, I too could have been fine with Nexus. There was only one thing that kept annoying me: not skinned context menus. ;)

Le Cervier wrote:
...if I wanted to go to after Winstep Xtreme EST Should I paying the Entire Xtreme price ou June upgrade?, I am retired With small car retired in June!
...now, this, I did not understand!
What is the June upgrade? What's the small car got to do with it? Which small car? Are you retired, or the car?
:? :| :o :?: :?: :?:

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