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 Post subject: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:11 pm 
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Is it possible to add the Windows 10 Clock with Agenda that is found on the normal taskbar to a dock? I can't seem to find how to do it...

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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:35 am 
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yotsume wrote:
Is it possible to add the Windows 10 Clock with Agenda that is found on the normal taskbar to a dock? I can't seem to find how to do it...

No, I'm afraid there isn't. At least, not that I'm aware of. Nor do I really see the need to incorporate something like that in the dock - a shelf, perhaps, or the NextSTART taskbar perhaps, but as I see it, it would be out of place in the dock.

There is however the 'Alarms' facility incorporated in the Calendar module, but of course it's hardly the same thing. Might be something to put into the 'to do' list perhaps, Jorge? (When you're back again. :) )

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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
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There is a module built for the Action Center so why would you not build one for Windows clock/calendar/agenda? Its the one missing function that puts things all in one place which was actually a step forward in the right direction in the Windows design.

Need a Google Calendar module!
1. Dock Icon shows the current Month/Date/and Day
2. Rollover should show your day's "agenda" (events that day with the ability to pull from multiple google calendars)
3. Left Click should open the Windows Calendar App that integrates multiple google calendars/accounts into one calendar perfectly.

My workaround is to use the calendar module but tell it to launch an app:
Code:
shell:appsfolder\microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_XXXXXXXXXXXX!microsoft.windowslive.calendar


Of course replacing the XXXXXXs with the right unique code.

I would think that it would be easier to just have an icon on the dock that when clicked would pop open the standard calendar widget w/agenda in the same manner as the Action Center module feature does.


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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:34 pm 
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yotsume wrote:
There is a module built for the Action Center so why would you not build one for Windows clock/calendar/agenda? Its the one missing function that puts things all in one place which was actually a step forward in the right direction in the Windows design.

Need a Google Calendar module!
1. Dock Icon shows the current Month/Date/and Day
2. Rollover should show your day's "agenda" (events that day with the ability to pull from multiple google calendars)
3. Left Click should open the Windows Calendar App that integrates multiple google calendars/accounts into one calendar perfectly.

My workaround is to use the calendar module but tell it to launch an app:
Code:
shell:appsfolder\microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_XXXXXXXXXXXX!microsoft.windowslive.calendar


Of course replacing the XXXXXXs with the right unique code.

I would think that it would be easier to just have an icon on the dock that when clicked would pop open the standard calendar widget w/agenda in the same manner as the Action Center module feature does.

In the first place, in relation to Winstep's Nexus dock you are erroneously referring to the Action Centre function as a module - it is in fact an Internal Command. Any kind of diary - which essentially is what you describe - would have to be implemented in the same way, i.e. as an Internal Command.

Why there isn't one is a matter for the developer (and owner of Winstep), Jorge, to answer as and when he returns here and if he's so inclined - there are many much more important issues to be answered here already I'm sure. As for adding something like this to his 'to do' list, again, that's for him to consider (or not). Personally, I have to say there's already a ton of other things on that list and I don't think it would be a good idea at this point to add anything more (besides, I don't recall anyone else ever having asked for this), especially when there are also a quite a lot of 'buglets' and other issues to be fixed.

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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:38 pm 
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How is a google calendar integration not important? ITS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!


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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:51 pm 
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yotsume wrote:
How is a google calendar integration not important? ITS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!

First, it's extremely rude to shout - using all caps - in these forums, so kindly desist.

Important to you perhaps, but as no-one else seems to miss one, here it is not important in the slightest it would seem to me. Also, bear in mind that increasing numbers of people value their privacy and security and thus avoid anything connected with Google, among others, so on the part of those people it would be of less than zero interest.

That said, some sort of diary function would probably be quite convenient for some users, as I mentioned in my first reply, but all the same, AFAIC it's something for the back burner - although of course it would be for the developer to decide.

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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:39 am 
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Several months ago I put the Windows calendar on my bottom dock. The way I did it was to click on Start > All Programs > Apps > Calendar and drag the icon onto the dock.

I have the program called Classic Shell installed that reverts the Windows Start Menu back to how it was in XP. It's much easier to navigate through the Start Menu features using it.

So, the way to get to Apps will be slightly different if you don't have it installed.

I used a different (PNG) calendar icon I DL from the net and dragged it onto the default icon to change it.


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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:50 pm 
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Windy wrote:
Several months ago I put the Windows calendar on my bottom dock. The way I did it was to click on Start > All Programs > Apps > Calendar and drag the icon onto the dock.

I have the program called Classic Shell installed that reverts the Windows Start Menu back to how it was in XP. It's much easier to navigate through the Start Menu features using it.

So, the way to get to Apps will be slightly different if you don't have it installed.

I used a different (PNG) calendar icon I DL from the net and dragged it onto the default icon to change it.

Sounds like a perfectly good solution to me.

Regarding the Windows Start Menu, yeah, it was best from NT4 through to XP, and so easy to customise, too. Windows 10 Start Menu is a complete abomination, as is the whole OS. Even with the LSW (Linux Sub-system for Windows) and the many useful Linux commands available - but then, why not scrap Windows altogether? :P

BTW Windy, do you have an URL for Classic Shell? MTIA.

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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:32 pm 
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The link to Classic Shell is http://classicshell.net/

The developer finally got tired of MS borking it with Win10 updates and stopped further development of Classic Shell.

Fortunately, the program is so great that it withstood the breaking abilities of MS and is still going strong.

One very important thing to note. There are a lot of settings! If anyone wants me to post my settings, let me know. Even if you don't use the exact ones I do, it will be a great asset to have.


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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:44 pm 
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Windy wrote:
Several months ago I put the Windows calendar on my bottom dock. The way I did it was to click on Start > All Programs > Apps > Calendar and drag the icon onto the dock....


That method will not make your dock a live tile where the Month/day/etc will be live and changing. A calendar is important to the masses. Millions of business use Google calendar. A better designed calendar module that allows us to sync with a service would be awesome for so many to have. The ability to use the url code to pull specific calendars is the way to go as I described.

The dock calendar should have the ability to have live month/date/date changing on the icon. It should also have a rollover where your day's agenda/events pops up like the weather icon. Then with a left click the desired calendar app/program could open.

Designing a calendar app that the events you enter only stay on that device and do not sync to other devices is not very useful these days.

The windows calendar app is not broken and works great. It just needs a nicer way to be added to this great dock program is all.

Anyway, these are my suggestion to make this already great program even that much more useable to an even wider audience. Its missing a very important Windows feature. Heck just a toggle icon so the standard widget that opens would be a great start like the "action center". A live icon is much better though!

Side note: Start10 by Stardock is a very nice start menu replacement with great features. More features then Classic Shell.


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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 pm 
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yotsume wrote:
Windy wrote:
Several months ago I put the Windows calendar on my bottom dock. The way I did it was to click on Start > All Programs > Apps > Calendar and drag the icon onto the dock....


That method will not make your dock a live tile where the Month/day/etc will be live and changing. A calendar is important to the masses. Millions of business use Google calendar. A better designed calendar module that allows us to sync with a service would be awesome for so many to have. The ability to use the url code to pull specific calendars is the way to go as I described.

The dock calendar should have the ability to have live month/date/date changing on the icon. It should also have a rollover where your day's agenda/events pops up like the weather icon. Then with a left click the desired calendar app/program could open.

Designing a calendar app that the events you enter only stay on that device and do not sync to other devices is not very useful these days.

The windows calendar app is not broken and works great. It just needs a nicer way to be added to this great dock program is all.

Anyway, these are my suggestion to make this already great program even that much more useable to an even wider audience. Its missing a very important Windows feature. Heck just a toggle icon so the standard widget that opens would be a great start like the "action center". A live icon is much better though!

Side note: Start10 by Stardock is a very nice start menu replacement with great features. More features then Classic Shell.

Look, just who the hell do you think you are to come in here lecturing us on what is or isn't an important feature to add? As you can clearly see by the lack of response, nobody else here is particularly or otherwise interested or bothered!

You've had more than your say on the matter, so quit while you're ahead.

Start 10 is nothing compared to Winstep's own Startmenu Organiser Pro, part of the Winstep Xtreme suite. Classic Shell is a different animal altogether that lets you have the Win XP style menu back.

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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
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Look, just who the hell do you think you are to come in here lecturing us on what is or isn't an important feature to add? As you can clearly see by the lack of response, nobody else here is particularly or otherwise interested or bothered!


Who am I?... a paying customer who was trying to get support from this "support forum". My post was a question, a request, and a suggestion. Your replies as a moderator are blowing things out of proportion. So no design suggestions are allowed? I would think customer feedback would be important and valued. No seen in a negative light.

Another person posts off-topic about Classic Shell and that was okay with you? I simply mentioned another alternative and you blew that up as well. The Classic Shell was off-topic from my original posted questions.

Anyway I'm going to move on here since I received zero actual support in a constructive or respectable manner. What I did receive however, was some serious inappropriate behavior by a so called "moderator". I'm guessing your not in charge of design.

My suggestions and requests for features to be added to the calendar stand.

As a moderator, you should be a bit more polite when paying customers are seeking support. At no time did I use any language that was disrespectful. My all caps was to draw attention to what I feel you way too quickly dismissed as "not important".

Anyway, great program. This moderator... not so much!


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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
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For a start, your tone almost throughout, has been extremely aggressive and pretty rude, bordering on abusive. Consequently, you cannot seriously expect to be replied to and treated with kid gloves. You have been extremely presumptuous, preaching and lecturing how important your desired facility is for everybody. Not something one should do in any forum. Normally, I'm a very tolerant, polite and sweet-natured guy, but when people behave as you have I tend to have a very short fuse and you can consider yourself having got off quite lightly as I'm sure others might confirm - I have been known to rip people new sphincters. ;)

Now, feedback and suggestions or feature request are perfectly fine, nobody has a problem with that I'm sure, although the latter are really more appropriate in the "Winstep Wish List" thread here. Yours was neither a plea for support nor a feature request but simply an aggressive demand, presuming that everyone wants or needs your feature. Your whole tone was anything but constructive. And when another respected, long term, user proffered an alternative, you dismiss this out of hand and call it 'off topic' because of another app that user used to achieve that alternative.

We moderators are unpaid volunteers not connected with Winstep Software, but have been long term users and participants in the beta cycles, and we freely give whatever time we can spare and work our butts off to keep spam out of the forums and to offer help and advice where we can when we can.

As you can see, nobody else has jumped in yet to say a feature like yours were something they'd want, so while it may be important to you, you cannot assume that it is to anyone else. Obviously, it isn't important in and of itself then.

And shouting does not draw attention to anything except to bad manners. I didn't dismiss your feature out of hand, in fact I said that it might be quite useful for some but that I didn't consider it as particularly important when there are already a gazillion things planned and/or in need of fixing.

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 Post subject: Re: Add Windows 10 Clock & Agenda to Dock?
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yotsume wrote:
Another person posts off-topic about Classic Shell and that was okay with you? I simply mentioned another alternative and you blew that up as well. The Classic Shell was off-topic from my original posted questions.


That other person is me. The post about Classic Shell was mentioned because I was making you and others aware that the process I used to get to the Windows Calendar icon will be different since I don't use the default Start Menu version of Win10.

The mod asked for the URL to Classic Shell. I then provided it. If someone wanted the settings I used, I was going to open a new thread in the Off Topic forum and post it there with the link to the thread in this thread.

I was trying to help you and others that weren't aware of how to do that. From what I gathered from your original post, it seemed to me that you were asking for what I posted. Until your last post, I wasn't aware that you aren't interested in that version of a calendar.

In spite of that, I'm sure there are others that are happy with the solution I gave.


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Windy wrote:
yotsume wrote:
Another person posts off-topic about Classic Shell and that was okay with you? I simply mentioned another alternative and you blew that up as well. The Classic Shell was off-topic from my original posted questions.


That other person is me. The post about Classic Shell was mentioned because I was making you and others aware that the process I used to get to the Windows Calendar icon will be different since I don't use the default Start Menu version of Win10.

The mod asked for the URL to Classic Shell. I then provided it. If someone wanted the settings I used, I was going to open a new thread in the Off Topic forum and post it there with the link to the thread in this thread.

I was trying to help you and others that weren't aware of how to do that. From what I gathered from your original post, it seemed to me that you were asking for what I posted. Until your last post, I wasn't aware that you aren't interested in that version of a calendar.

In spite of that, I'm sure there are others that are happy with the solution I gave.

A very rude bu..er and so filled with his own self-importance etc. - I have a feeling we won't be troubled by him again. I did refer to you in my last response to him BTW.

Your solution was/is a good and valid one that I have no doubt will be appreciated by others, and I don't see where the guy's problem was wrt the mention of Classic Shell. Hell, when people behave the way he did, it definitely raises my hackles and I thought that even so I was fairly restrained, given my short fuse. :) There are three things that tend to really set me off. Rude and/or abusive behaviour/language, personal attacks on e.g. Jorge and other established users, and non-constructive attacks on the Winstep apps. And I just won't have any of that.

Oops, sorry Windy, I missed your post with the Classic Shell URL etc. till just now! Must have been all the aggro.... Anyway, yeah, please do go ahead and post your settings, I'm sure they'll be useful to at least some of us. But perhaps best post in a new thread in "Off Topic"? Tx.

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