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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 2:44 am 
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
@Jorge - All good :)

Here's one I tried with multiple wallpapers, in excess of twenty different wallpapers i.e.... Trivia - the trash can is a dishwasher which opens full of dishes when full.

I made a base gradient tan and black/grey wallpaper because I have no idea whose kitchen this is or who took the photo, or who owns it, so I cannot include it.
That said, the twenty I tried were easy. I simply searched "Black and Tan Kitchen", and tried as many as I could before I was satisfied that 95% worked.

Err, not wanting to p... rain on your parade, but have a closer look at that kitchen. It isn't a photo and it isn't a real kitchen. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
@Jorge - All good :)

Here's one I tried with multiple wallpapers, in excess of twenty different wallpapers i.e.... Trivia - the trash can is a dishwasher which opens full of dishes when full.

I made a base gradient tan and black/grey wallpaper because I have no idea whose kitchen this is or who took the photo, or who owns it, so I cannot include it.
That said, the twenty I tried were easy. I simply searched "Black and Tan Kitchen", and tried as many as I could before I was satisfied that 95% worked.

Err, not wanting to p... rain on your parade, but have a closer look at that kitchen. It isn't a photo and it isn't a real kitchen. :)



Thanks now I remember where I got it from- a Kitchen design company - it remains the same - I cannot include it. Thanks :)


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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
Thanks now I remember where I got it from- a Kitchen design company - it remains the same - I cannot include it. Thanks :)


You can ask ChatGPT or Microsoft's CoPilot to make a variation of the original wallpaper.

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winstep wrote:
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Thanks now I remember where I got it from- a Kitchen design company - it remains the same - I cannot include it. Thanks :)


You can ask ChatGPT or Microsoft's CoPilot to make a variation of the original wallpaper.



Here is what it created - I asked it to create a similar kitchen in Black, Tan and Grey. I'm glad I did not use the word 'identical'.
I think I need to work more on my descriptions so it randomises a little more.

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BassdudeNZ wrote:
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Err, not wanting to p... rain on your parade, but have a closer look at that kitchen. It isn't a photo and it isn't a real kitchen. :)


Thanks now I remember where I got it from- a Kitchen design company - it remains the same - I cannot include it. Thanks :)

Holy smoke! A kitchen design company? Really! They're not very good then, hardly confidence inspiring. Not that I'd ever have a fitted or any type of modern kitchen anyway, preferring something like a traditional farm house one, butcher's sink and all. :) But that really is a bad design badly executed.

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BassdudeNZ wrote:
winstep wrote:
You can ask ChatGPT or Microsoft's CoPilot to make a variation of the original wallpaper.

Here is what it created - I asked it to create a similar kitchen in Black, Tan and Grey. I'm glad I did not use the word 'identical'.
I think I need to work more on my descriptions so it randomises a little more.

Attachment:
Wallpaper A.I.jpg

Ah well, so-called AI is a piece of crud - even worse then the original. :| Might have been designed for dwarfs/midgets? :P

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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
Here is what it created - I asked it to create a similar kitchen in Black, Tan and Grey. I'm glad I did not use the word 'identical'.


LOL :D

Keep refining the terms or give it another example.

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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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Jorge, It's like dealing with a 6 year old that has the brain of Stephen Hawking.
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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
Jorge, It's like dealing with a 6 year old that has the brain of Stephen Hawking.
:lol:

That's a bit derogatory to Hawking. Surely you mean a 6 year old with the brain of a congenital idiot. :P

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BassdudeNZ wrote:
Jorge, It's like dealing with a 6 year old that has the brain of Stephen Hawking.
:lol:


AHAHHA! I know how you feel, trust me. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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Jorge, the Aquarium several posts above, I painstakingly drilled down on the majority of fish several down to a single pixel with different color not in the spectrum in order to make them transparent.
I took the original unaltered version of one as a test and simply told it to make the background transparent. It did it in less than two minutes. It almost made me feel why do I bother hand doing anything? demoralizing almost to the 'why bother trying to create anything anymore?' :(
I do not know what it is like there, but there was an Art exhibition here and one person opened an A.I stand. They were asked to leave and take their art with them...
So there is still a lot of anti-AI - It is being used to replace people in all walks of the arts sadly.


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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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I do not know what it is like there, but there was an Art exhibition here and one person opened an A.I stand. They were asked to leave and take their art with them...
So there is still a lot of anti-AI - It is being used to replace people in all walks of the arts sadly.

Good they were told to bugger off - anything "created" by so-called AI simply will never qualify as art. It's 'painting by numbers'. Now just conceivably you could use "AI" as a tool in working on a design task or even in simplifying a part of a task in an art project of some sort, but it's still you who's the real creator, "AI" is simply another tool, like a brush or knife or sponge.

And it's a damn good thing that there is still a lot of anti-"AI". It's the most dangerous development since the nuclear bomb. It's not only already replacing people in all kind of jobs, not just in the arts - I've already encountered call centres operated via "AI" - only advantage is they don't have incomprehensible foreign accents like a lot of human call centre staff. ;) We really need a hell of a lot of legislation to rein this crap in, and preferably by international agreement. This "AI" if left to operate as a tool of surveillance capitalism will entirely destroy all last vestiges of privacy, freedom of expression/speech, and make surveillance 100% total. No privacy = no democracy. In a way, "AI" is even more dangerous than nuclear weapons. :/

Oh, and be prepared that "AI" will render cryptography obsolete if not reined in. If you want to live in a totalitarian hyper-capitalist society based on total surveillance and surveillance capitalism, then do nothing and use Big Tech's "AI". But I'd rather you'd support democracy and freedom, and privacy.

There is now one "AI" assistant that is entirely private, E2EE, no logging of any kind etc., 'Lumo' by Proton. It's not quite complete yet and being expanded with a new version released about once a month, but at least it doesn't steal your data etc. It's the only way "AI" should be allowed to go - fully free and open source, private, secure. And not robbing human creators' work.

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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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I agree.

Humankind seems to do nothing by halves. If they change something, they remove it altogether most times, and if they invent a new product they take it to the nth degree, without thought of consequence.

Historically as human beings, it's not like we can say that the human race tempered everything with wisdom. I won't say anything wasn't tempered, but our track record for using a tool to replace people, where it can save money is atrocious.


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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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BassdudeNZ wrote:
I took the original unaltered version of one as a test and simply told it to make the background transparent. It did it in less than two minutes. It almost made me feel why do I bother hand doing anything? demoralizing almost to the 'why bother trying to create anything anymore?' :(


AI cannot do anything that isn't based on prior human creation. It cannot "innovate" except perhaps by doing something random, but not intentional.

This said, I would not have been able to do all the icon additions and changes I did in v25.7 without AI. I would have had to pay someone else to do it and it would have taken a very long time.

Much the same way industrialization exponentially increased production levels - which benefited us all - but also killed certain jobs, so is AI. There is ALWAYS a price to pay.

The real question is: are the benefits worth the price we pay? And THAT is the question we, as humans, rarely, if ever, ask - which is why opening Pandora's box is so dangerous.

Worse, after a while there will be nobody left to remember how it was before and therefore able to tell the difference and make an educated judgment on whether it was actually worth it or not.

"You shall know them by their fruits" indeed.

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 Post subject: Re: Theme approach
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winstep wrote:
BassdudeNZ wrote:
I took the original unaltered version of one as a test and simply told it to make the background transparent. It did it in less than two minutes. It almost made me feel why do I bother hand doing anything? demoralizing almost to the 'why bother trying to create anything anymore?' :(


AI cannot do anything that isn't based on prior human creation. It cannot "innovate" except perhaps by doing something random, but not intentional.

This said, I would not have been able to do all the icon additions and changes I did in v25.7 without AI. I would have had to pay someone else to do it and it would have taken a very long time.

Much the same way industrialization exponentially increased production levels - which benefited us all - but also killed certain jobs, so is AI. There is ALWAYS a price to pay.

The real question is: are the benefits worth the price we pay? And THAT is the question we, as humans, rarely, if ever, ask - which is why opening Pandora's box is so dangerous.

Worse, after a while there will be nobody left to remember how it was before and therefore able to tell the difference and make an educated judgment on whether it was actually worth it or not.

"You shall know them by their fruits" indeed.


There is nothing much I can add because you've nailed it. I only hope they take the foreseeable consequences into account instead of them marveling in their creation with ignorance. The same conflict is happening in the music world.


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